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NBA radio Amin Elhassan re Aaron Nelson
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:56 am
Listening to NBA radio this morning, Emin has experience with Nelson from his time in Phoenix.
He regards Aaron as the best trainer in the NBA, and says you just have to trust him. He's taken guys like Nash and Shaq and extended their careers, while playing at a high level, when other teams medical staffs told them their career was over.
He told a story about the lockout year when they weren't allowed to see players, Amin sprained his ankle playing pick up ball, and went to see Aaron instead of going to a dr.
Within 3 days all the swelling and pain was gone, he thought he was good to go, but Aaron said no your not. The reason you sprained your ankle is because you have this bad form and this muscle is overcompensating for this movement (he said it was medical terms he didn't really understand).
Then he went on to say how they had him rubbing a rag on this particular area which will help build up this tiny muscle and in turn help prevent future injuries.
That's how detailed the guy is. As a fanbase/coaching staff etc, it's frustrating being so cautious, but the guy has a proven track record, and we have to trust him.
He regards Aaron as the best trainer in the NBA, and says you just have to trust him. He's taken guys like Nash and Shaq and extended their careers, while playing at a high level, when other teams medical staffs told them their career was over.
He told a story about the lockout year when they weren't allowed to see players, Amin sprained his ankle playing pick up ball, and went to see Aaron instead of going to a dr.
Within 3 days all the swelling and pain was gone, he thought he was good to go, but Aaron said no your not. The reason you sprained your ankle is because you have this bad form and this muscle is overcompensating for this movement (he said it was medical terms he didn't really understand).
Then he went on to say how they had him rubbing a rag on this particular area which will help build up this tiny muscle and in turn help prevent future injuries.
That's how detailed the guy is. As a fanbase/coaching staff etc, it's frustrating being so cautious, but the guy has a proven track record, and we have to trust him.
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 10:09 am to Soggymoss
Nahhhhhh, the message board posters know more than Nelson!!
Posted on 1/23/20 at 10:24 am to shel311
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Nahhhhhh, the message board posters know more than Nelson!!
this x 1000000
Posted on 1/23/20 at 10:25 am to Soggymoss
he has a reputation for a reason, I have full trust in the training staff
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:22 am to shel311
Yeah, I've kind of avoided the board since about halftime last night from the trolls and the stupid takes
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:26 am to barbapapa
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he has a reputation for a reason, I have full trust in the training staff
If you posted this sentence a year ago you would've been a laughing stock on here. Just crazy how fast things have changed with this organization
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:38 am to Hazelnut
quote:1 year ago, or with about 5 minutes left in the game last night.
If you posted this sentence a year ago you would've been a laughing stock on here.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:02 pm to shel311
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1 year ago, or with about 5 minutes left in the game last night.
gotta love the in-game emotional takes on here
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:29 pm to Soggymoss
I don’t think the way he was played last night supports a logical argument being supported by this anecdote or just the approach.
Why 3-4 minutes at a time? The whole analysis and decision is very subjective. If the patient is saying he is tired then fine, but outside of that it didn’t make sense.
Did they practice Zion 3-4 minutes at a time and observe he gets tired at that point; therefore, that will be the starting point? Supposedly they were reported as already being over cautious. So they sacrificed a game for some extremely unlikely issue.
Why 3-4 minutes at a time? The whole analysis and decision is very subjective. If the patient is saying he is tired then fine, but outside of that it didn’t make sense.
Did they practice Zion 3-4 minutes at a time and observe he gets tired at that point; therefore, that will be the starting point? Supposedly they were reported as already being over cautious. So they sacrificed a game for some extremely unlikely issue.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:34 pm to Colonel Flagg
Listen to the Woj podcast that someone linked to. The plan was to pull him as soon as he looked tired to the training staff. I would assume this is because when you’re tired you slip into your natural habits and Zion’s natural habits were risky enough that they held him out another month to try and create new habits.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:39 pm to Colonel Flagg
Also smart people are not infallible and above some critique. The optics were weird for last night. There is no reason the PR group couldn’t be a little more informative about the odd looking decisions.
Also a ton of weird psychological things happen last night.
You have Jrue Holiday the proven elite veteran who is getting upstaged by a rookie when he is already probably dealing with passing the torch to Brandon Ingram.
You have Brandon Ingram who is the league’s most improved player, turning into a superstar, and should hopefully get an all star bid being upstaged by Zion.
A packed crowd chanted “We want Zion!”. He brings them back to win the game and is oddly removed. The team then loses on the backs of Holiday and Ingram.
I think these items have to be considered in how they handled it last night. I think they failed in the moment based off of some poor management.
Also a ton of weird psychological things happen last night.
You have Jrue Holiday the proven elite veteran who is getting upstaged by a rookie when he is already probably dealing with passing the torch to Brandon Ingram.
You have Brandon Ingram who is the league’s most improved player, turning into a superstar, and should hopefully get an all star bid being upstaged by Zion.
A packed crowd chanted “We want Zion!”. He brings them back to win the game and is oddly removed. The team then loses on the backs of Holiday and Ingram.
I think these items have to be considered in how they handled it last night. I think they failed in the moment based off of some poor management.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
There are more things at play than a perfect science experiment is all I am saying.
I figured the getting tired thing was the issue. You usually get hurt or something when you get tired. I would question if it was that critical to stop that run in the game then he wasn’t ready to rejoin the team.
I figured the getting tired thing was the issue. You usually get hurt or something when you get tired. I would question if it was that critical to stop that run in the game then he wasn’t ready to rejoin the team.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:55 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:They stuck to the exact approach they said they would based on the direction ofAaron Nelson, known as the best trainer in the NBA.
So they sacrificed a game for some extremely unlikely issue.
quote:Not sure if they ever put a timestamp on it before the game, I know they said short bursts. They're on record stating they took him out at the very first signs of fatigue. That just happened to come around the 4 minute mark of being in the game it seems.
Why 3-4 minutes at a time? The whole analysis and decision is very subjective. If the patient is saying he is tired then fine, but outside of that it didn’t make sense.
quote:Reported by who?
Supposedly they were reported as already being over cautious
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:57 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:This is true, but you need some objective data or reasoning to show that, not just "He coulda played more!"
Also smart people are not infallible and above some critique.
quote:They did exactly what they said they would do, play him in short bursts.
There is no reason the PR group couldn’t be a little more informative about the odd looking decisions.
quote:Honest question, what is the point of this? So maybe we should never play Zion since he may steal some shine from Jrue and BI? They're big boys, I'm sure they can handle it.
Also a ton of weird psychological things happen last night.
You have Jrue Holiday the proven elite veteran who is getting upstaged by a rookie when he is already probably dealing with passing the torch to Brandon Ingram.
You have Brandon Ingram who is the league’s most improved player, turning into a superstar, and should hopefully get an all star bid being upstaged by Zion.
quote:Nothing odd about it, they did exactly what they said they'd do.
A packed crowd chanted “We want Zion!”. He brings them back to win the game and is oddly removed
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:06 pm to shel311
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Supposedly they were reported as already being over cautious
Reported by who?
During the broadcast they stated that it was reported he has been healthy for a month and it was all about conditioning. Two NBA basketball coaches questioned the way he is worked back into playing due to conditioning. So I am not criticizing the fact they are being over cautious in holding him out. I am questioning the way he is worked back in after already being over cautious. I would have expected the way they approached the game on a player they didn’t delay a month after being reportedly healthy.
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Why 3-4 minutes at a time? The whole analysis and decision is very subjective. If the patient is saying he is tired then fine, but outside of that it didn’t make sense.
Not sure if they ever put a timestamp on it before the game, I know they said short bursts. They're on record stating they took him out at the very first signs of fatigue. That just happened to come around the 4 minute mark of being in the game it seems.
I am not in theory against it, but he is a larger than life player. We are doing a big science experiment on a team in rhythm making a playoff push.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:10 pm to shel311
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Honest question, what is the point of this? So maybe we should never play Zion since he may steal some shine from Jrue and BI? They're big boys, I'm sure they can handle it.
They have a team in rhythm making a playoff push. I don’t want to derail the momentum of the team due to trying to work this larger than life player into the rotation. I believe the team was definitely thrown off last night by the Zion experiment. Everything comes together in the 4th quarter finally and then they break it up again.
I want them to make the playoffs this season. I want Zion to have a healthy long career. I felt last night pushed a perception we could be threatening to not have both this season. It may work out. I think wins are hard to come by and don’t want us to throw too many away before it is too late.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:14 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Zion experiment.
You mean playing our #1 pick? That’s not an experiment lol
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:16 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:It was 1 game, you're reading way too much into it.
I felt last night pushed a perception we could be threatening to not have both this season
We were also better when Zion was on the floor than when he was't.
For what you're saying, the only alternative is to have a healthy Zion sit out the rest of the season. It's gonna take time to incorporate him into the rotation, we should have all known that it wouldn't be perfect immediately.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:30 pm to Hester Carries
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You mean playing our #1 pick? That’s not an experiment lol
Either working him in seamlessly fits in the flow of the game or not. You don’t stop a game winning run because of an experiment. If it is going to throw the team off hold him out and get him more ready. The playoffs could be at stake.
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