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re: Let’s talk about the current projected roster going forward.

Posted on 11/22/20 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115433 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 3:37 pm to
At this point, I hope they use all the spots just taking chances on minimum wings with upside. Get one Euro to come over maybe?

Gotta take some chances at some point.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27025 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 3:57 pm to
Bolmaro wouldve been perfect as a 3

I'd love to know why they didnt like him
Could've moved up a spot
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27871 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:37 am to
Who says they didn't like him?

People assume so much about moves we will likely never be privy to. How do we know they didn't try and move up and the cost was too much? The Wolves moved up to get him, so maybe they just wanted that pick more.

Either way, he's a draft and stash who can't shoot and likely won't play in the nba until 2022. Not sure how that helps a ton.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9758 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:16 am to
There is no doubt we will play a lot of 3 guard line ups. But given Van Gundy's focus on defense, I think Hart wins the SG spot. Ball and Bledsoe split time at PG, so they can't move one of them. Redick is best playing smaller minutes. So Hart wins it by default. He has the size, is well rounded, is a solid defender and they need to see what he can do before extending him..
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5727 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 12:20 pm to
Something to consider...

quote:

6’8” wingspan 6’9” wingspan 7’3” wingspan 6’10” wingspan 7’5” wingspan I’ll take that from the starting unit.


We have some length defensively which should help us offensively. Would still like another 3/4 wing and really prefer a vet PG but I think this team will be super competitive
Posted by LuzianaFootball
Bay Area
Member since Dec 2008
7845 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:41 pm to
Under no circumstances should Lonzo be mentioned as a SG. Have to be a consistent shooter to play there. That was my issue with Jrue. His defense never made up for his lack of shooting ability to stretch the floor.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27871 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Under no circumstances should Lonzo be mentioned as a SG.

In the half court, he’s a shooting guard.

quote:

Have to be a consistent shooter to play there.

Define “consistent shooter”.
Posted by Drew Brews
SG·LA
Member since Feb 2018
1958 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:55 pm to
Can somebody with a higher basketball IQ than me explain why Lonzo is a better option at SG than Hart? I know he improved from 3 last year, but he still can't/won't drive to the basket and can't hit free throws regardless. I always thought the vision was for him to be the facilitator with a sharpshooter paired with him in the backcourt.
Posted by ErikGordan
Member since Oct 2016
851 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:56 pm to
Lonzo
JJ
BI
Zion
Aquaman

That's my starting lineup. Bledsoe will be on trade block until trade deadline.

This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

Under no circumstances should Lonzo be mentioned as a SG


Under no circumstances should Lonzo be mentioned as a PG either.

So what is he?

He absolutely cannot be the PG in a half court offense. He doesn't have the skill set necessary for it, and he'll never gain them. His role in the NBA on offense will be off the ball in the half court, and hitting open 3 point shots. You can call it whatever position you want.
I think labeling people a certain position is pointless. It's not 1985 anymore. We have PG's who are 6'10", we have centers who are 6'5".
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5727 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:05 pm to
I think the best player to compare him to in terms of role (emphasis on the role part) is Klay


Klay is a solid defender but mostly plays on the perimeter. He'll occasionally drive on the backside but mostly operates on the perimeter and transition. Could be that type of guy for us even though he plays the "2".
Posted by Pelicansfan69
Member since Oct 2019
304 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:12 pm to
4 Major Question Marks for me:

1. Has Lonzo regressed a bit?
2 How good is Kira? Is he better than what his draft position was? Is he incredible?
3. Has NAW improved?
4. Has Hayes improved?

I bet Gundy would like to find out before they take a massive dump on any of these guys.

This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32370 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Can somebody with a higher basketball IQ than me explain why Lonzo is a better option at SG than Hart?
Transition facilitation, which is big with Zion.

Also, volume 3 point shooting. Lonzo was a better shooter than Hart last season.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5727 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:22 pm to
Interesting thing to point out to me

Ball's 3pt shooting numbers last year aren't far off Klay's numbers his 2nd season

Ball last year

2.3 3p / 6.3 3pa / gm on 38%

Klay year 2

2.6 3p / 6.4 3pa / gm on 40%

Essentially Klay made 1 more 3 per game than Lonzo...they have the same measureables


Again, I'm not saying Lonzo will be Klay...but what I am saying is that role-wise they can be the same type of player...
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32370 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

I think the best player to compare him to in terms of role (emphasis on the role part) is Klay


I think his offensive role is more similar to Draymond, rather than Klay.

On defense he'll guard mostly 1's or 2's, and occasionally a smaller 3.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Klay is a solid defender but mostly plays on the perimeter. He'll occasionally drive on the backside but mostly operates on the perimeter and transition. Could be that type of guy for us even though he plays the "2".




i mean, i get where you're going with this, but not really. There aren't many guys in the league that demand attention at all times without the ball like Klay does. Redick is one of those guys. Even old arse Kyle Korver is. I don't think Lonzo will ever be that guy. Just like Etwaun, you can shoot 40% from 3 and still not be someone the defense guards like glue to help create space. Yeah they'll pay attention to you, but they aren't following you around and worried about where you are.



It's not Lonzo's offense as to why most want to get rid of him, it's his defense. It's just not that good. If he can prove himself on that end of the floor this year, i would without a doubt look at him as someone i want to keep around here, b/c i do very much like his rebounding as guard and him running in transition. I'm sure he'll get smarter taking 3's, and he'll be an even better 3 point shooter than he was this past year, but he's still just a catch and shoot 3 point guy. Anytime he takes a three in any other form or fashion, it's a bad shot, and that's ok. Be a great catch and shoot 3 point shooter, and rebound and defend on the other end and you'll get yourself a nice second contract. fail at either of those, and you'll end up being an MLE guy.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5727 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:29 pm to
You're not wrong in terms of the gravity...but Klay didn't demand that early in his career either. Don't like at Klay today and Lonzo today as in the same boat...I'm projecting the future in this...if Lonzo can develop his 3 to be consistent and he reclaims his defensive mindset that he had before I think the can be Klay-like...just my opinion of course.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:45 pm to
Klay Thompson has been the same guys since day 1, never shooting under 40% from 3 in his career, always having one of the quickest releases of all time, so yes he did demand that gravity early in his career. It didn't take teams long to figure out that you needed to guard this dude at all times or he's going to kill you. He draws the attention he does b/c of how quick his release is from any position, just like Redick. When Lonzo shoots quickly, like on a step back or off the dribble, or off a screen, he's terrible. That's when you see him airball 3's, which he does all the time. He absolutely has to have time to set his feet, and when he does, he's a really great 3 point shooter, just like Etwaun, a slow but great 3 point shooter when his feet are set.


Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5727 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 3:00 pm to
True and maybe I just don’t remember it well I don’t remember him commanding that much attention that early in his career. Again though I’m not talking talent I’m talking role in the offense. Don’t confuse the two. 3+D spacer that plays solid defense, good in transition, and can pass and cut back door
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 3:34 pm to
But Lonzo doesn't play sound defense, and he has no movement offensively off the ball. You ever watch him in the half court without the ball. He barely moves, and never goes inside the 3 point line.
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