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Let me get this straight
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:30 am
We have a 23 yo wing that becomes an All Star last year then averages the same numbers despite bringing a non shooter in Bled and a non shooter and paint clogger in Adams and a coach that didn’t want to use him and Zion in basically any actions this year and half of you want to trade him. Even more infuriating is that those clowns constantly want to trade him for smaller pieces.
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:41 am to PrayingMantis
I’m not in favor of trading BI unless it’s for a clear, no doubt superstar.
We have enough assets that we should be able to trade a ton of picks for that 3rd piece without having to give him up.
We have enough assets that we should be able to trade a ton of picks for that 3rd piece without having to give him up.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:43 am to PrayingMantis
Oh you're talking about BI, delete
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:48 am to SLafourche07
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I’m not in favor of trading BI unless it’s for a clear, no doubt superstar.
You don't trade BI for a lessor player or for picks, but he is on the table to make a blockbuster super start trade IMO.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:18 am to PrayingMantis
Exactly … Love this Pels board, but sometimes it’s clowns corner.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:22 am to PrayingMantis
I don’t think anybody is saying “we HAVE to trade BI this offseason.” But he’s not a guy that’s hard to imagine getting equal or more value for in a trade, like Zion for example. You also can’t ignore the questions surrounding he and Zions fit together, particularly defensively.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:36 am to CP3forMVP
OK, I’ll play. Give me a name.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:37 am to PrayingMantis
I do not care for Ingram. I don't like his game, his demeanor or the massive holes in his game. Everybody can bang the drum about his great stats or him being an "All-Star". But he isn't a leader or a winner and he is a Supermax player. I am sure he would be a great fit somewhere and will have a nice career. But he will never be a star or a major contributor to a Championship or even a competitive team. I just don't like watching him. He just looks lazy, goofy and perpetually high. I guess it is aesthetics.
There is nothing wrong with not caring for a player or not wanting him on your team. I didn't like Davis. Really didn't like Ryan Anderson. I was one of the few that liked Evans over Holiday. I straight up wanted Gordon gone right after we got him. You like who you like. Sometimes players grow on you. Randle is still my favorite player in the league. I even really got to like Jack and Vasquez when they were here. I like overachievers..
There is nothing wrong with not caring for a player or not wanting him on your team. I didn't like Davis. Really didn't like Ryan Anderson. I was one of the few that liked Evans over Holiday. I straight up wanted Gordon gone right after we got him. You like who you like. Sometimes players grow on you. Randle is still my favorite player in the league. I even really got to like Jack and Vasquez when they were here. I like overachievers..
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:44 am to PrayingMantis
Right now Zion isn’t a good defender, and Ingram has been arse on defense too. You’re not going to build a winning team with 2 arse defenders on the wing, and no primary ball handler.
What’s the best way to get that ball handler who can put up 20+? Trade one of your good players. And we’re clearly not trading Zion.
What’s the best way to get that ball handler who can put up 20+? Trade one of your good players. And we’re clearly not trading Zion.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:05 pm to brmark70816
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He just looks lazy, goofy and perpetually high.
This is so fricking stupid. He's an All Star in the NBA and he's lazy? Lmaoooo
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:08 pm to LouisianaJoseph
He is a gifted scorer and that’s about it. Which is fine if he is your 2nd or 3rd guy
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:12 pm to PrayingMantis
I think a lot of negativity about Ingram came from the team trying to be a defense first team. He's just a weak link if that's the plan. Change the focus of what the team's trying to do, bring a guard that can take some of the creation load and add shooters that can create space or make defenses pay better and Ingram looks a lot better.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:15 pm to TigerinATL
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I think a lot of negativity about Ingram came from the team trying to be a defense first team. He's just a weak link if that's the plan. Change the focus of what the team's trying to do, bring a guard that can take some of the creation load and add shooters that can create space or make defenses pay better and Ingram looks a lot better.
He is awful on defense and extremely stupid at times on both offense and defense. I agree about adding a guard and shooters that create space but the way you do that is probably trading BI, which is fine because that’s all you need next to Zion. If I had a choice between keeping BI or trading him for the mentioned pieces I choose the guard and floor spacers.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:22 pm to LouisianaJoseph
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He just looks lazy, goofy and perpetually high.
Multiple interviews from players and coaches that know Ingram say that he's a gym rat and spends basically all of his free time working on basketball. It sounds like you have something personally against him, did he bang your mom?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:39 pm to J_Hingle
He played good defense in LA. Probably alot more about buying in. They'll play defense if they win.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:43 pm to J_Hingle
Do you really think Zion - BI + insert name is going to do damage. Heck, even if you get a Dame, Beale or KAT in that scenario Pels are going to be Portland, Wizards, or Minny … stuck. Truth is we have one of the best hands in the league when it comes to talent and youth but we have a whole lot of external pressure from other markets to muck it up. Don’t buy into it despite a disappointing season.
Sun is setting on the Lebron era league wide and we’re sitting pretty. BI and Zion need to step up and we need development from Jax, NAW and Zo (if he stays). A key acquisition here and there puts us in contention.
We lost this year largely to bone-headed play not talent. I can count at least 10 games we absolutely gifted to the opponents. Hope we don’t play ourselves and buy into a overhaul when the tires just need air.
Sun is setting on the Lebron era league wide and we’re sitting pretty. BI and Zion need to step up and we need development from Jax, NAW and Zo (if he stays). A key acquisition here and there puts us in contention.
We lost this year largely to bone-headed play not talent. I can count at least 10 games we absolutely gifted to the opponents. Hope we don’t play ourselves and buy into a overhaul when the tires just need air.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:43 pm to MeanWeen225
I think he is referring to the fact that he looked like a lifeless zombie on the court last year and if we are being honest, he’s looked like that ever since Zion returned from his meniscus surgery. No pep or bounce in step, no emotion, shoulders slumped. Last year in particular, he literally looked depressed on the court to the point where I was worried about if he was going through something off of the court.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:23 pm to brmark70816
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I do not care for Ingram. I don't like his game, his demeanor or the massive holes in his game. Everybody can bang the drum about his great stats or him being an "All-Star". But he isn't a leader or a winner and he is a Supermax player. I am sure he would be a great fit somewhere and will have a nice career. But he will never be a star or a major contributor to a Championship or even a competitive team. I just don't like watching him. He just looks lazy, goofy and perpetually high. I guess it is aesthetics.
There is nothing wrong with not caring for a player or not wanting him on your team. I didn't like Davis. Really didn't like Ryan Anderson. I was one of the few that liked Evans over Holiday. I straight up wanted Gordon gone right after we got him. You like who you like. Sometimes players grow on you. Randle is still my favorite player in the league. I even really got to like Jack and Vasquez when they were here. I like overachievers..
So basically what I gather from this stream of consciousness is that you have mostly terrible judgement when it comes to players.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:26 pm to J_Hingle
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I agree about adding a guard and shooters that create space but the way you do that is probably trading BI, which is fine because that’s all you need next to Zion.
I know it's not a perfect analogy because Middleton is knocking down crazy clutch shots as a 29 year old in his prime, but in many ways Ingram is to Zion what Middleton is to Giannis. Do you think the Bucks would be better if they had traded Middleton for spare parts when he was 23?
Again, it's an imperfect analogy because Middleton came out of nowhere to a certain extent unlike Ingram who is good and we're waiting to see great. And there's no guarantee Ingram gets to great. Maybe he's more Melo and will never be part of a true contender, but you don't just trade a quarter for 3 dimes. You trade a quarter and some other stuff for a half dollar.
That's how you get better in the NBA. Unless a crippling contract of an injured former star is involved, it's pretty rare that the team getting the smaller denominations back wins the trade.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:32 pm to Bronc
Didn't brmark come on here back in the day saying Brandon Jennings was better than Jrue?
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