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Khris Middleton Available?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:55 am
Per Windhorst on a recent addition of The Lowe Post Podcast, Middleton has been quietly available this off-season...
If so, the Pels need to pounce. What would it take to get him?
quote:
During a recent episode of The Lowe Post, Zach Lowe and Brian Windhorst bounced interesting takes off of each other, including one about Milwaukee Bucks forward Khris Middleton. According to the duo, the Bucks will not shy away from a opportunity to trade Middleton if the price other teams are leaving on the table feels right
If so, the Pels need to pounce. What would it take to get him?
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:57 am to BallHawk
If that were true, I am sure the asking price would be very steep. He would be a fantastic fit.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:11 am to NOSHAU
My two offers would be
1. Moore, Diallo, and a first (top 5 protected)
2. Moore, Diallo, Ajinca, Liggins, Okafor, 1st for Henson and Middletong
The downside is that you enter free agency next year with Randle, Mirotic, Middleton, and Payton all as free agents. If you need cap space to re-sign Randle, you likely lose him. Same goes for Payton (could give him the MLE)
If everything goes right, it's hard to keep that team. But I could also argue that the team would have so much talent that their individual numbers might be lower and therefore their price tags might not be through the roof.
I would offer those two deals and I could see Milwaukee preferring to pay Moore and the first rounder 10 mil next year, compared to Middleton at 22-25 mil next year.
1. Moore, Diallo, and a first (top 5 protected)
2. Moore, Diallo, Ajinca, Liggins, Okafor, 1st for Henson and Middletong
The downside is that you enter free agency next year with Randle, Mirotic, Middleton, and Payton all as free agents. If you need cap space to re-sign Randle, you likely lose him. Same goes for Payton (could give him the MLE)
If everything goes right, it's hard to keep that team. But I could also argue that the team would have so much talent that their individual numbers might be lower and therefore their price tags might not be through the roof.
I would offer those two deals and I could see Milwaukee preferring to pay Moore and the first rounder 10 mil next year, compared to Middleton at 22-25 mil next year.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:17 am to Crewz
What about Moore, Mirotic, top 20 protected 1st for Middleton and Dellavedova?
Bucks win that trade. Shed Delly's 9MM, grab a first, two good shooters to create space for Giannis. Do you do it if you're the Pels?
Bucks win that trade. Shed Delly's 9MM, grab a first, two good shooters to create space for Giannis. Do you do it if you're the Pels?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:18 am to Crewz
I could live with both of those deals...Middleton would be an instant upgrade at the starting 3...I wonder if we could do that and Miller + 2nd for Hood (if Cavs don't want him). He'd be our "backup" 2 but could play the 3 in crunch. Gives us options. Maybe use TPE on a backup PG like Satoransky or cheaper. Sign Zipser as 3rd SF for depth and Monroe if he wants to come for more depth.
Payton / Satoransky / Jackson
Holiday / Hood / Clark
Middleton / Hill / Zipser
Davis / Mirotic
Randle / Henson / Monroe
That's a good team. May lack some bench shooting though.
Payton / Satoransky / Jackson
Holiday / Hood / Clark
Middleton / Hill / Zipser
Davis / Mirotic
Randle / Henson / Monroe
That's a good team. May lack some bench shooting though.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:20 am to NOSHAU
quote:
If that were true, I am sure the asking price would be very steep. He would be a fantastic fit.
I'm not so sure. He's an expiring and if they are willing to move him, maybe they don't think he's a long term fit there. I mean, I don't think they'll give him away, but I also don't think it's going to cost the farm.
Mirotic and Moore for Middleton and Henson. Who says no?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:24 am to Spitting Venom
I would do the trade with Mirotic if it came to it. But I'd have to have an understanding with Randle first to make sure he will give me every chance to bring him back next year. A core of Jrue-Middleton-Randle-AD is a contender IMO if you fill around them competently.
I look at all the guys in the league who haven't made an AS game and aren't on rookie deals (aka, acquirable) and Middleton is the top guy for me. Not necessarily in a vacuum, but for this team. When making a list of all the skill sets I need around AD and Jrue, inside a Finch offense and Erman defense, Middleton is literally perfect.
I look at all the guys in the league who haven't made an AS game and aren't on rookie deals (aka, acquirable) and Middleton is the top guy for me. Not necessarily in a vacuum, but for this team. When making a list of all the skill sets I need around AD and Jrue, inside a Finch offense and Erman defense, Middleton is literally perfect.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:27 am to BallHawk
The one piece of information I am not privy to that factors into everything is:
I would go to AD's agent and ask: What would need to happen over the next 11 months for me to be assured that AD signs that superman extension on July 1st, 2019?
If he says a WCF birth and a core of guys he likes that will be here for a long time, I would be ultra aggressive right now. And I really think a guy like Middleton could get you over the Houston hump. Especially after Melo sabotages them.
I would go to AD's agent and ask: What would need to happen over the next 11 months for me to be assured that AD signs that superman extension on July 1st, 2019?
If he says a WCF birth and a core of guys he likes that will be here for a long time, I would be ultra aggressive right now. And I really think a guy like Middleton could get you over the Houston hump. Especially after Melo sabotages them.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:29 am to Crewz
I agree. He loves Jrue, so that's already in place. Keeping Randle - a guy he recruited- is a must. Now if you get Middleton I agree that puts you over the hump and arguably you're competing with Golden State.
If you can keep Niko in the process that's just gravy.
If you can keep Niko in the process that's just gravy.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:34 am to Crewz
quote:I would be on board with either of those deals, but would prefer #1. Not a huge fan of Henson and would prefer not to have his $10 million on the books after this year. However, if that what it takes to get a deal done...
My two offers would be
1. Moore, Diallo, and a first (top 5 protected)
2. Moore, Diallo, Ajinca, Liggins, Okafor, 1st for Henson and Middletong
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:49 am to NOSHAU
Another thing that factors into this whole equation, especially if it takes Mirotic to make the deal: Look at how easy it is to get a big in FA and/or trade market. I mean, could I get Trevor Booker for the min and can he give me 80% of what Niko does?
Or could I move Hill and Ajinca for Serge Ibaka or Hill for Meyers Leonard? There are so many bigs I can get if I need a third big after trading Niko
Or could I move Hill and Ajinca for Serge Ibaka or Hill for Meyers Leonard? There are so many bigs I can get if I need a third big after trading Niko
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:51 am to Crewz
Middleton has been the somewhat realistic guy I’ve wanted here for a long time.
I thought it would come down to MIL struggling for them to want to trade him, though.
I thought it would come down to MIL struggling for them to want to trade him, though.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:54 am to CocoLoco
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I thought it would come down to MIL struggling for them to want to trade him, though.
The conventional wisdom has been that Milwaukee has never been interested in paying him $25ish. I would be surprised if they don't trade him at some point this year.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:55 am to BallHawk
Is Windhorst really trustworthy outside of Lebron stuff?
The Bucks trading Middleton makes no sense. Bledsoe is expiring and they didn't pay Parker, so the tax is not a concern. They need to keep Giannis happy and Middleton is easily their second best player who showed out in the playoffs.
I don't understand why they would decide this early to trade him unless his has told the team he is not coming back and wants to be traded. I would think Giannis would be pretty pissed unless they got a serious asset back in return.
ETA: Snippet of the conversation where Lowe throws cold water on Windhorst's rumors:
The Bucks trading Middleton makes no sense. Bledsoe is expiring and they didn't pay Parker, so the tax is not a concern. They need to keep Giannis happy and Middleton is easily their second best player who showed out in the playoffs.
I don't understand why they would decide this early to trade him unless his has told the team he is not coming back and wants to be traded. I would think Giannis would be pretty pissed unless they got a serious asset back in return.
ETA: Snippet of the conversation where Lowe throws cold water on Windhorst's rumors:
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:56 am to NOSHAU
Another question to take into consideration at that point. Is a core of Jrue, Middleton, AD, Mirotic, & Randle worth going into the luxury tax for?
I say yes.
From another perspective, if you go into the luxuary tax too far and you need to let one of the 5 go. I’d have to assume just because of his skill set & position, Middleton is third on that list in terms of importance since good SF are the unicorns of this league. Meaning I would give up Mirotic and/or Randle for Middleton (would need AD’s stamp of approval). And that says something considering I absolutely love both Niko & Randle
I say yes.
From another perspective, if you go into the luxuary tax too far and you need to let one of the 5 go. I’d have to assume just because of his skill set & position, Middleton is third on that list in terms of importance since good SF are the unicorns of this league. Meaning I would give up Mirotic and/or Randle for Middleton (would need AD’s stamp of approval). And that says something considering I absolutely love both Niko & Randle
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:59 am to TigerinATL
quote:
The conventional wisdom has been that Milwaukee has never been interested in paying him $25ish. I would be surprised if they don't trade him at some point this year.
What are they going to do with that money? I doubt they are in play for major free agents next offseason and they should be well clear of the tax.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:06 am to DeionDeion
I agree that they are worth the tax. First of all, if AD signs that mega extension, you will be a tax team regardless. But if that's your core, you need to Randle to agree to come back for 10 mil next summer. Or, you have to dump Hill prior to next summer.
Jrue, AD, and Middleton's cap hold gets you to over 70 million by themselves. At that point, you can re-sign Randle and then go over the cap to re-sign Middleton. Use room exception to bring back Elfrid. But wouldn't have much else to improve team. You'd have the core of AD-Randle-Middleton-Jrue. You'd have Diallo, Elfrid, and Frank Jackson. Maybe Bluiett. But that would be a thin team and you'd have to hope you can get some quality players on the min.
The ideal scenario is that you can operate over the cap, give Julius a 10 mil deal and a wink-wink you'd take care of him the next summer. Move Hill and a pick for a better player. And have the full MLE to use still. If Warriors even lose one of their core 4, you could be the best team in the West in 2019-20
Jrue, AD, and Middleton's cap hold gets you to over 70 million by themselves. At that point, you can re-sign Randle and then go over the cap to re-sign Middleton. Use room exception to bring back Elfrid. But wouldn't have much else to improve team. You'd have the core of AD-Randle-Middleton-Jrue. You'd have Diallo, Elfrid, and Frank Jackson. Maybe Bluiett. But that would be a thin team and you'd have to hope you can get some quality players on the min.
The ideal scenario is that you can operate over the cap, give Julius a 10 mil deal and a wink-wink you'd take care of him the next summer. Move Hill and a pick for a better player. And have the full MLE to use still. If Warriors even lose one of their core 4, you could be the best team in the West in 2019-20
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:14 am to Crewz
I trust Lowe in his assessment that it would take a homerun offer to get him.
I don't think they are giving him away.
I don't think they are giving him away.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:29 am to NOFOX
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What are they going to do with that money? I doubt they are in play for major free agents next offseason and they should be well clear of the tax.
Put this another way. Middleton is to Giannis and the Bucks as Jrue was to AD and the Pels. Maybe he's their 2nd best player but he's not really a #2. Most people thought Holiday got overpaid and the Pels were stupid to not trade him when they had the chance. Nobody but Dell Demps thought Evil Jrue would show up. Is there anyone in Milwaukee thinking there's an Evil Khris waiting to earn his next contract? This is new management from the ones that brought Middleton in isn't it? I'm not saying they don't appreciate him, but they may not believe in him like Dell believed in Jrue.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:18 am to Crewz
I really like Middleton because I think he would be a good fit. The pels have been lacking a true SF for years and Middleton offers great size and length at 6’8. He has a nice stroke. More importantly, he can guard the Lebrons, KD’s, Kawhi’s, etc of the NBA and by doing that he frees up Jrue to lock down PGs or SGs. 2019 is supposed to be a good free agent class, especially with guards. So you could potentially go into next offseason with a core of AD, Jrue, Middleton, Randle, Payton, Mirotic or Moore (not sure who would have to go to acquire Middleton if need be)... They could move a few small pieces around to maybe make room for an upper echelon PG.
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