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re: Hornets and FA
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:15 pm to tehchampion140
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:15 pm to tehchampion140
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It really isn't that absurd to think he could come here
Absurd no, unrealistic yes. The only way to make room for him is to amnesty Okafor, but then what do you do at center? Even if a combo of say Asik and Smiht works out well in the end, it's not impressive if you are trying to sell Dwill that the opportunity in NO is better than Brooklyn. I just don't see why he'd pick an unknown like the Hornets over a known like Brooklyn if he chooses to rebuild. He knows he has input in Brooklyn and New Jersey's core of Marshon Brooks, Lopez and Gerald Wallace isn't terrible.
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Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:24 pm to TigerinATL
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New Jersey's core of Marshon Brooks, Lopez and Gerald Wallace isn't terrible.
That's assuming Wallace returns after opting out.
If Wallace walks, then I'm not sure what appeal another year of losing has for him in Jersey.
That being said, I see him going to Dallas.
Kidd is insisting on big money to return despite his game being down this year. Cuban will throw money at Deron to help keep the team relevant while Dirk still has gas in the tank.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:43 pm to TigerinATL
Not to mention he walks away from $20 million over his contract if he signs any where other than Brooklynn.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:56 pm to corndeaux
I don't think Dallas would be that great with him. It'd be just Dwill, Dirk and who else? Haywood? Marion? Even if they amnestiy one of them and got Howard, they don't have any cap room left and they end up an older, shallower version of Miami. The West will chew them up.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:57 pm to corndeaux
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Not to mention he walks away from $20 million over his contract if he signs any where other than Brooklynn.
That's a bit off...
He loses the ability to get a fifth year on his current contract if he leaves the Nets, but he's also young enough to get one more big contract after this one.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:14 pm to teke184
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If Wallace walks, then I'm not sure what appeal another year of losing has for him in Jersey.
If Wallace isn't coming back that does make Brooklyn a less attractive option, but Dallas has to firmly be considered option #2. If they can't bring in anyone besides DWill then maybe he says no, but the Hornets probably aren't #3 either. Off the top of my head Portland has plenty of cap space even with Batum and 2 lottery picks.
Too many things have to go wrong for other teams for the Hornets to get in the mix. It just doesn't seem very likely.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:53 pm to teke184
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That's a bit off... He loses the ability to get a fifth year on his contract
I say tomato, you say .... It's still roughly $20 he passes up, plus security from an injury.
He isn't coming to NO. After amnesty of Okafor, the team would be capped out with no frontcourt, especially if they end up with the 6 and 11 in the draft.
I would take my chances with Dirk, Rick Carlisle, and Mark Cuban in my hometown over NO every time.
Short of LBJ coming to NO, there is no quick fix to get the team into contention in 1 off season. It's a waste of time to even argue about it. Demps/Monty need extensions and time to build a program.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:57 pm to corndeaux
Everyone keeps saying Beson needs to spend money and pay big players to win. But isn't it really out of his hands to an extent?
The team has a cap that he can't spend over, right?
So even if he wants to spend big and pay good players to come here, he is limited.
The team has a cap that he can't spend over, right?
So even if he wants to spend big and pay good players to come here, he is limited.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:58 pm to Spoonie Luv
quote:pay under the table
So even if he wants to spend big and pay good players to come here, he is limited.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 1:59 pm to corndeaux
I didn't say he was coming to NOLA, just that I don't see him staying in Brooklyn, ESPECIALLY if Wallace is gone.
My money's on Dallas as well, mainly because there's a chance of them winning there quickly as opposed to more mediocrity in Brooklyn.
He has a chance to step in and replace a HOF candidate in Kidd at the point and will his hometown team to a second ring.
My money's on Dallas as well, mainly because there's a chance of them winning there quickly as opposed to more mediocrity in Brooklyn.
He has a chance to step in and replace a HOF candidate in Kidd at the point and will his hometown team to a second ring.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:00 pm to Fearthehat0307
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pay under the table
I think I'm going to start a thread about this on the MSB.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:14 pm to Spoonie Luv
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But isn't it really out of his hands to an extent?
The team has a cap that he can't spend over, right?
So even if he wants to spend big and pay good players to come here, he is limited.
With the Hornets, like most small market teams, you need to build through the draft and get your superstar there. (a la Dwight Howard in Orlando or LeBron in Cleveland)
You have to be smart and have pieces around for when that player shows up though. LeBron was the Cavs and he left to go to a winner because Cleveland couldn't put the pieces around him. Other teams like Chicago had pieces in place and OKC did a good job of drafting young talent around Durant. That's when you get a good team with a legit shot at winning.
The Hornets have a great player in Gordon, a chance to get another in the draft. We also have money to spend in a year or two with Oak's contract coming up. Exciting stuff for Hornets' fans. The front office just needs to make sure it's done correctly and our free agent signings pan out.
That's why I'd like to get some good young players Dragic to play with Gordon and Davis/Robinson.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 2:17 pm to Spoonie Luv
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Everyone keeps saying Beson needs to spend money and pay big players to win. But isn't it really out of his hands to an extent?
The team has a cap that he can't spend over, right?
Spending on the exceptions to the cap is what separates owners. Amnestying Okafor to afford DWill would be a big start to "spending big". Then getting MLE guys each of the next 3 years pushing us into the tax territory is "spending big". The Lakers supposedly dumped Odom for money reasons as much as anything. He was costing them double his contract which was already very big for a bench player. So even the previously free spending owners have decided they can't be as wasteful as they used to be.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 3:08 pm to Suntiger
I get all that about how to build teh team. I was just asking why everyone said he needs to spend big, but sometimes it's hard to spend big even if you have the money and want to.
I think people are meaning spend wisely when they say spend big.
I think people are meaning spend wisely when they say spend big.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 3:25 pm to Spoonie Luv
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I think people are meaning spend wisely when they say spend big.
Amnestying Okafor last season to go after Marc Gasol and keep CP3/West would have been spending wisely if Gasol was a realistic get and would have kept the old core intact. Amnestying Okafor now isn't such obviously wise spending, but could be a net gain if Demps uses the freedom well. I guess what we really want is a wise GM and an owner that will back the GM 100% and value winning above profit in the short term.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 3:31 pm to TigerinATL
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I think people are meaning spend wisely when they say spend big.
Amnestying Okafor last season to go after Marc Gasol and keep CP3/West would have been spending wisely if Gasol was a realistic get and would have kept the old core intact. Amnestying Okafor now isn't such obviously wise spending, but could be a net gain if Demps uses the freedom well. I guess what we really want is a wise GM and an owner that will back the GM 100% and value winning above profit in the short term.
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There isn't "a big spending" guy IMO. (Besides DWill or Hibbert which isn't likely at all)
I think there are a lot of good players to be had in FA though, to place around Gordon and a high draft pick. That's just my opinion though.
This current roster with just Gordon and a Davis/Robinson isn't going to be a real contender right away.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 4:31 pm to Suntiger
quote:Not a whole lot on that list that are big upgrades over what we already have. Kaman, Hawes, Dragic maybe (maybe Jamison at a low salary), but the others are not real upgrades.
There are a few decent FA options this year, depending on if we have Oak's contract amnistied or not.
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I'd make Hibbert tell me know and make the Pacers match a max offer. It's not likely, but you still have to go after him.
Just a quick look shows some guys like Spencer Hawes, Goran Dragic, Ronny Turiaf, Kirk Hinrich, Brandon Bass, Mickael Pietrus, D.J. Augustin, C.J. Miles, Raymond Felton, Chris Kaman, Kris Humphries, Gerald Green, Jordan Farmar, Mo Williams, Nate Robinson, Ryan Hollins or Antawn Jamison who aren't stars, but could be good complimentary guys to Gordon and a guy like Davis/Robinson.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 5:31 pm to NOSHAU
I want Ilyasova
Posted on 5/7/12 at 6:49 pm to hendersonshands
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I want Ilyasova
Would he be needed if we get Davis or Robinson? Heck, I think Sullinger has a higher ceiling that him and would rather pick him up..
Posted on 5/8/12 at 11:38 pm to brmark70816
McGee looks like he just needs to be coached. I've been against going after him in the past, but watching him with a decent team around him, he looks like he has the potential to be a top 3 center behind Howard and Bynum. Huge risk, huge reward, and I think we're a team that needs to take that kind of chance. Depends on the draft, though, but a team like Jack/EG/Ariza/Robinson/McGee has a lot of potential.
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