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re: Hornets and FA
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:45 am to Jester
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:45 am to Jester
Hoopshype numbers are deceiving for next year. It's $36 million without EG qualifying offer. If you add them up, his salary doesn't fit. Not sure if its a mistake or not, but EG at $14 makes it $50 million for 9 players
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Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:01 am to corndeaux
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EG at $14 makes it $50 million for 9 players
I get almost $51 million from Hoopshype and figuring Gordon at $14.14. It's possible Berger has access to other info like incentives to get his $6.3 million figure. But on top of the $6.3 million you have 2 rookie salaries. At the 4 and 10 spots that's another $4.98 million leaving us with basically zero cap space when we fill out the roster with scrubs. And on top of that we may not have an MLE because we'll start out below the cap. We could have one depending on the cap holds in place for Kaman and Landry. Perhaps that's part of why Demps didn't just dump them, so he'd be over the cap and have an MLE. Either way I would be very surprised if there wasn't a draft day trade.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:02 am to Jester
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Why do you care? I doubt you'll be fronting the money to Mr. Benson.
I want the Hornets to be successfull and for Mr. Benson to want to invest more money in players. I'm realistic enough to know that next years team, while improved, probably won't be that great. I would hate to see them pay 70+ for a .500 team. It's a waste of money and if it doesn't work might make them reluctant to keep spending. Especially if they lose money because people don't show up to watch a mediocre team.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:40 am to TigerinATL
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Either way I would be very surprised if there wasn't a draft day trade.
Do you think we trade one of our picks or do you think we trade back into the first round?
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
I'm finding us at $7.1M under, actually. That's before resigning Belli (assuming that's the plan).
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:44 am to corndeaux
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Hoopshype numbers are deceiving for next year. It's $36 million without EG qualifying offer. If you add them up, his salary doesn't fit.
I noticed that. I went ahead and pasted the numbers into Excel. That's where the $7.1M comes from.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:50 am to Jester
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I'm finding us at $7.1M under, actually.
That's what I came up with, that's why I said Berger may be working off different figures like incentive numbers. but $6.3 or $7.1 still means no cap space once you sign rookies and the end of the bench.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
Is there any possibility we can get Deron Williams?
(very casual NBA fan these days and this cap stuff does my head in, my apologies)
(very casual NBA fan these days and this cap stuff does my head in, my apologies)
Posted on 5/7/12 at 9:59 am to Jester
So amnesty Okafor? Are there any realistic Ariza for cap space trades?
Or do they sit tight with those 2, compete for a playoff spot with this group and see what moves can be made with Okafor expiring?
Or do they sit tight with those 2, compete for a playoff spot with this group and see what moves can be made with Okafor expiring?
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:24 am to corndeaux
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So amnesty Okafor?
To do what? Kaman and Asik/Mahinmi for $16 instead of Okafor and scrub for $16? I think that is an improvement but not sure it's a "please eat $28 million Mr. Benson" improvement. That's the problem with amnestying Okafor, I'm not sure you get enough out of it unless your owner is Mark Cuban who would eat a lot of salary for marginal improvement.
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Are there any realistic Ariza for cap space trades?
The most ideal is if the Lakers Amnesty Artest. Ariza to the Lakers for their trade exception and a pick seems like a pretty good deal if the goal is to move Ariza.
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Or do they sit tight with those 2, compete for a playoff spot with this group
I really think they need to move Ariza or Aminu this year. Aminu either needs to get minutes or be traded. What they think Aminu's likely ceiling is probably determines whether Ariza gets traded or not.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:25 am to TFTC
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Is there any possibility we can get Deron Williams?
Possible? Yes. Plausible? No. That is very unlikely to happen. If he wants to rebuild he can stay in Brooklyn where he seems to like it. If he doesn't want to rebuild he'll go home to Dallas.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
So worst case, we end up with the 5th and 11th spots. We draft Barnes and Sullinger (both BPA). Our current line-up would be..
Jack/Vasquez
Gordon/Henry
Barnes/Ariza/Aminu
Sullinger/Ayon
Smith/Okafor
I'm pretty sure Monty wants Belli back, but might not really be practical. Especially if we want to develop Henry. So what are the options?
1. Trade away Ariza to another team for a late pick. This would open up more playing time for Barnes and Aminu. We could use the pick to take a late flyer on a PF/C to replace Okafor eventually.
2. Amnesty Okafor. We'd have to use the money to sign another Center and none are huge upgrades and will cost alot as well. I'd rather give Smith the minutes and see what he can become. Okafor's contract could be valuable in another year or just a bonus when it expires.
3. Sign another PG. Some want to grab a FA here, but Jack and Vasquez are both in money years and they aren't that bad. If we get Lillard, I'll be happy. Otherwise I say give Jack another year to shine.
What other moves could we make?
Jack/Vasquez
Gordon/Henry
Barnes/Ariza/Aminu
Sullinger/Ayon
Smith/Okafor
I'm pretty sure Monty wants Belli back, but might not really be practical. Especially if we want to develop Henry. So what are the options?
1. Trade away Ariza to another team for a late pick. This would open up more playing time for Barnes and Aminu. We could use the pick to take a late flyer on a PF/C to replace Okafor eventually.
2. Amnesty Okafor. We'd have to use the money to sign another Center and none are huge upgrades and will cost alot as well. I'd rather give Smith the minutes and see what he can become. Okafor's contract could be valuable in another year or just a bonus when it expires.
3. Sign another PG. Some want to grab a FA here, but Jack and Vasquez are both in money years and they aren't that bad. If we get Lillard, I'll be happy. Otherwise I say give Jack another year to shine.
What other moves could we make?
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:23 am to brmark70816
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What other moves could we make?
Demps just spent I believe about a month scouting Europe. I'm sure it's just due diligence on his part and doesn't mean he's got something up his sleeve for this year, but I would think if he spent that much time over there he saw someone worth stashing with a late 1st or 2nd.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:51 am to brmark70816
I think we have a pretty good shot at signing D Will this offseason. We have a ton of cap room, a solid young core, and a great young head coach that everyone is making note of right now. There was an article quoting D Will saying that he doesn't need to be in a big market. Dallas may be his home town but I don't see their future after Dirk retires being better than our future with 2 top 10 draft picks coming in this year in one of the deepest drafts in recent history.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:57 am to tehchampion140
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I think we have a pretty good shot at signing D Will this offseason. We have a ton of cap room, a solid young core, and a great young head coach that everyone is making note of right now. There was an article quoting D Will saying that he doesn't need to be in a big market. Dallas may be his home town but I don't see their future after Dirk retires being better than our future with 2 top 10 draft picks coming in this year in one of the deepest drafts in recent history.
So, you didn't read any of the posts or is this sarcasm?
Posted on 5/7/12 at 11:59 am to Jester
TigerinATL
I agree that amnesty for Okafor doesn't get them any where because there are no better or cheaper options. If he's healthy, Okafor will be solid in the middle. But if they want cap space, amnesty makes the most space.
An Ariza move would be great. I like Ariza but if they think Aminu can deliver similar results, he's younger and cheaper. A move that frees up cap.space and gets another pick in this draft is a homerun.
I agree that amnesty for Okafor doesn't get them any where because there are no better or cheaper options. If he's healthy, Okafor will be solid in the middle. But if they want cap space, amnesty makes the most space.
An Ariza move would be great. I like Ariza but if they think Aminu can deliver similar results, he's younger and cheaper. A move that frees up cap.space and gets another pick in this draft is a homerun.
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Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:01 pm to brmark70816
I read through most of the thread. It really isn't that absurd to think he could come here. I don't think we're the front runners but he doesn't care about market size and we have a solid team to put around him. If Benson wants a winner like he says he does, he shouldn't be afraid to shell out the cash.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:04 pm to corndeaux
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Are there any realistic Ariza for cap space trades?
Just the Lakers if they amnesty Artest. I can't think of many teams that would be interested in him. His best fit is on a playoff team which cuts the market in half. His primary skill is lock down defender on elite wings, which are on many of the playoff teams and cuts the market in half again. I'm sure Demps could trade him for a bad contract, but if we want value or cap space back it might be Lakers or Bust.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:05 pm to TigerinATL
There are a few decent FA options this year, depending on if we have Oak's contract amnistied or not.
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I'd make Hibbert tell me know and make the Pacers match a max offer. It's not likely, but you still have to go after him.
Just a quick look shows some guys like Spencer Hawes, Goran Dragic, Ronny Turiaf, Kirk Hinrich, Brandon Bass, Mickael Pietrus, D.J. Augustin, C.J. Miles, Raymond Felton, Chris Kaman, Kris Humphries, Gerald Green, Jordan Farmar, Mo Williams, Nate Robinson, Ryan Hollins or Antawn Jamison who aren't stars, but could be good complimentary guys to Gordon and a guy like Davis/Robinson.
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I'd make Hibbert tell me know and make the Pacers match a max offer. It's not likely, but you still have to go after him.
Just a quick look shows some guys like Spencer Hawes, Goran Dragic, Ronny Turiaf, Kirk Hinrich, Brandon Bass, Mickael Pietrus, D.J. Augustin, C.J. Miles, Raymond Felton, Chris Kaman, Kris Humphries, Gerald Green, Jordan Farmar, Mo Williams, Nate Robinson, Ryan Hollins or Antawn Jamison who aren't stars, but could be good complimentary guys to Gordon and a guy like Davis/Robinson.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:13 pm to TigerinATL
Let's pray Artest goes crazy pills, Ebanks is awful and they get bounced 2nd round. Get them desperate for a returning hero not named Odom
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