re: Griff on LeBatard Show

I still think that what likely happened is he got fed a couple of pieces of secondary hearsay and ran with it.

Typically journalists should be asking(and verifying) questions like, how do you know this and why are you telling me this? And it feels like CC skipped that, or did a poor job.

What he did feels closer to what tabloids do which is gather up innuendo and hearsay and just run with it. Sometimes, that stuff ends up being true, but more often than not it’s a lot of half truths and motivated slander that isn’t actually contextually accurate, sometimes just made up whole cloth.

The piano story in particular is problematic cause unless your source is literally Zion or Griff, the truth of that conversation is almost impossible to ascertain.

Love how he said BI doesn't do social media. Mans is proper old school

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And he went crazy and made the shite up about him serenading zion.

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That's called libel. It's the kind of thing that can get you sued and kill your career if you're a journalist. It's the reason stories run through other people like editors before they get published. I think it's way more likely he didn't corroborate sources than he just "went crazy and made shite up".

That's not making excuses for anyone, that's called trying to come up with a reasonable explanation that fits the facts.

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And I don't honestly think CC was maliciously printing info he absolutely knew was false.

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of course not, that would be a criminal act. He wanted to make a name for himself and got fed a load of BS that he then ran with. As I said before, he should be mopping floors not covering the team. And honestly, the team should want to have nothing to do with him. The pels don’t need T/P coverage to remain viable (note, that was not always the case)

Let's go back to the original thread about the piano story from last year, because there's some revisionist history going on right now. Most of this board accepted the piano story at face value and was ready to fire Griff:

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Macintosh504

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Griff might need to get fired and Zion is a fat bitch

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eyeran

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Christian Clark's reporting on how shitty Griffin's tenure here has been, and how many in the organization have turned on him.

Griffin basically has no relationship with Zion and they don't really speak.

Zion showed up fat from the day 1 of summer league after we drafted him, and turned on the organization with how cautious they were over his knee injury. Showed up ever fatter to the bubble and we hid another injury at the request of his family.

Now the guy who's been fat for his entire NBA career, won't show up to any of the team's offseason workouts together, ghosted BI and Vinson in Phoenix, was in Vegas for Summer league, but didn't meet with his teammates and has no relationship with the front office.

I've said it before but it almost impossible for these past two years to have gone any worse. A fraud POBO. A franchise player who's been fat or injured for his entire time here, his psycho parents, and somehow less leadership ability than Anthony Davis. At least AD showed up to team workouts. shite is ridiculous.

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Lester Earl

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Instead of firing Griffin, they let him pick a 3rd coach in 3 years.

Garbage arse franchise & ownership

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Chad504boy

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i agree with lester in that ownership SHOULD have fired Griff. It was outlined in my master offseason plan.

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Cheesy Beaver

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good. freaking. lord.

dumpster fire

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tehchampion140

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I have no reason not to believe these reports coming out. This franchise is just a total shitshow.

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WicKed WayZ

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Griff needs to be fired but for fricks sake Zion…grow the frick up

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More from Lester Earl

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Why would he want to be here

Dysfunctional setting

3 coaches in 3 years

Losing games

A scum bag GM

Out of touch ownership

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Broski

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So Shamit just tweeted about this post and said "let's just say I can't refute any of that"

frick this franchise.

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BowDownToLSU

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I thought Griff was a basketball Guru but now I’m thinking we might need a new GM

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NorthshoreTiger76

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Fudge It’s time to move on from Griff

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That's not making excuses for anyone, that's called trying to come up with a reasonable explanation that fits the facts.

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Bingo right here, a reasonable explanation.

Bronc

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It’s starts at the top.

You rarely find good teams with poor ownership.

And for all they have done for football, the Benson’s have so far not shown themselves to be all that much better than Shinn when it comes to managing an NBA franchise. They’ll spend more to a point, but they kept Demps far too long and fired the wrong person in the Monty/Demps power struggle, hired the wrong replacement and are now letting him sabotage their second generational talent they were gifted. Things are trending near the sewer in the Zion era and I’m not sure I’m clear Gayle has an idea of a way out?

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saints5021

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I fricking hate Griff and wish they would have canned him with Ron Jeremey, but Zion can eat a dick in his part of all this. He is a generational talent who cares so little about his team. Like others have said, he is still chasing the AAU experience, which is just fricking weird. When he shows up fat as frick, I will be on the trade him bandwagon. No use playing him till he gets even fatter and fricks up his knee.

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Fun Bunch

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There's too much turmoil around Griffin right now to not at least consider severing ties.

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NolaJake

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I can tell you for a fact Zion found the piano thing weird. Off putting.

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More from Fun Bunch

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I really think Griffin can't recover, regardless of the results.

Ok you're winning, but the POBO is still a weirdo that no one likes or respects.

Might have to shift to Langdon.

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Chalkywhite84

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Griffen sucks and always has.

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ghost2most

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I had concerns about him based on the terrible drafting he did with Cleveland and some of the shitty contracts he doled out there.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt based on his ability to talk a good game and I just put much of the blame on bitch arse Lebron.

Looks like the real truth is they're both dipshits.

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More from Fun Bunch

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My beef with griffin isn't his moves at this point. Its his relationship with the teams star and him being an epic weirdo.

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More from Bronc

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It is bizarre, though we do also just have a number of Griff Stans that seemingly have found a way to rationalize two losing seasons, a failed coach, two seasons of mismatched rosters, an icy relationship with our most important player, a FO that mocks him behind his back, and has almost exclusively turned our asset haul from the Lakers into his mulligan fund.

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Boy you just exposed some fools on here, lol

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That's not what I'm doing. The main reason I did it is that I don't like being called some Christian Clark fanboy when I was one of the few who threw cold water on the story at the time and said that we didn't know the context and it was no big deal.

I don't blame anyone for believing the story -- not at all.

It's just important for the board to remember the next time something like this happens so that we don't freak out.

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It's just important for the board to remember the next time something like this happens so that we don't freak out.

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We're still gonna freak out, but hopefully what we learn is to not immediately dismiss people that disagree with us. Don't call them crazy, ask them why they believe a crazy thing.

Are those supposed to be ownages?

I feel like people on this board have this tendency to deliberately ignore the context in which things were said in order to win some sort of post hoc victory points.

The Bensons up til recently have been mediocre stewards of this franchise. They were deferential to Demps to a fault, two playoffs in a decade despite two all star level talents, not sure anyone could disagree with that, and at the time of the reports the Pelicans were a mess. Despite recent turnarounds, Griff still had largely wasted two years of this group with poor roster management, and it was sheer luck with his incompetence that he didn’t succeed in signing either Lowry or Tim Hardaway to large contracts which left us with the room to go after CJ.

His recent draft class, CJ(which almost could have never happened if options A thru D he wanted happened) and Willie are basically his saving graces since the Lakers trade.

For me it’s enough to trust his draft selections until proven otherwise and hopefully means he’s past some of these Rube Goldberg trades/signing from his first couple years.

And I would say that most of our willingness to believe the reporting speaks to how little faith most had in Griff’s ability to build relationships within the organization up to that point. In fact, I still don’t really think he’s gonna win any friendship accolades with the guys like Morey and Harden/Embiid. There just seems to be a mutual understanding and respect with he and Zion/BI as long as the team is moving in the right direction. But he does deserve credit for climbing out of the hole he dug and getting the franchise to a much better spot culturally with those key decisions he got right