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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:04 am to
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:04 am to
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shite yall. No bites on Jon Bois? WTF is up with this place?


I read your synopsis and wasn't really interested. Tanking + video game simulations =
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:09 am to
Respect the C-Deaux, man.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:34 am to
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Respect the C-Deaux, man.


I read nearly everything he posts, but that one just didn't pass muster.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:48 pm to
Yeah, the C-Deaux is weird.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:20 pm to
What is going on here?

Bois/EDSBS et al just crack me up. I'm a sucker for absurdity
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:37 am to
Great read from Zillers GMIB on the Classical about the Mavs and Bulls

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there are the tired, heel-digging ignoramuses in Dallas and Chicago, a pair of teams that stubbornly insist upon doing things their own way. The Mavericks and Bulls, both understaffed for any real playoff run, are neither tossing away games nor incubating key youngsters. They are winning just to win, playing hard because good basketball feels better than bad basketball. They are not doing what the new conventional wisdom would have them do, and they are doing every watcher of early spring hoops a tremendous service in the process


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Next to a championship, though, relevance—a reason to believe, a reasonable expectation that the team could both win and be worth watching on a given night—is the biggest gift a team can give to its faithful. These teams will not win a championship anytime soon, not in their present circumstances or with their current rosters. But, under a sharp offensive mind and a growling defensive savant, the Mavs and Bulls manufacture their own reasons to watch, every night. In April, and in general, that still counts for a lot.


LINK

Plus a link in that piece to another one on Thibodeau worth the time.

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This is where you really notice Thibodeau, and start to notice that to watch the Bulls is actually to watch him, at least to an extent. It doesn’t matter who the five guys on the court are; what matters, and what works, is that they're executing a particular system, knowing the particular spots to cover, a merger of Xs and Os and externalities that are out of sample to everything we try to quantify, all of that on display at once. And all of it choreographed


LINK
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:33 am to
Do coaches really matter? LINK / This is Pelicans related and from BSS, but it's a little mathy and tl;dr, so this thread seemed like a good fit.

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"Our most surprising finding was that most of the coaches in our data set did not have a statistically significant impact on player performance relative to a generic coach. Even the most successful coaches by our metric—Jackson, Popovich, and Fitzsimmons— were statistically discernable only from the very worst-rated coaches. We therefore find little evidence that most coaches in the NBA are more than the “principal clerks” that Adam Smith claimed managers were more than 200 years ago (pg. 92)."

...Anyway, Berri and co. ran these regressions, and they got a bunch of numbers for each coach. These numbers told us of the relative impact of each coach in their data set. The two coaches with the biggest impact were Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich, which seems entirely reasonable. In fact, the model estimated that Pop and Jackson would add over 15 wins to their teams per season, all else being equal.

The problem came when the researchers looked at the coaches’ confidence intervals. For those of you who don’t know, a confidence interval is a way of saying that an estimate falls somewhere in a certain range. I’ll explain through a metaphor. Let’s say you and I are at a bar, and I ask you to estimate the height of a guy standing across the room’s. You may say, “I think he is 6 feet tall”. That is your estimate. Then I say, “Okay, tell me the range of heights you’re 95 percent sure he falls between.” The clever thing to do would be to say, “He is somewhere between 4 feet and 8 feet tall. “ Of course, I’d push you to give me the smallest range you’re 95% confident he falls between. You may respond, “He is taller than 5 feet 8 inches, but shorter than 6 feet 4 inches.” That is a confidence interval. That is the range of heights you’re 95% sure that guy’s height falls between. In the case of this paper, the first round of statistics estimated just a single number (they guessed the guy’s height), but when they looked at the confidence interval of the effect of each coach, the low end of the best coaches overlapped with the top end of the worst coaches. To return to my bar example, this would be like I asked you to rank 20 guys in a bar by height, but when I asked you to provide a range of their heights, the tallest guys minimum height was lower than the shortest guys tallest height.

...We can’t do the same for coaches. We can’t start the Pelicans season over, and have George Karl be the head coach to see if the outcome changes. In fact, it wouldn’t even tell us much, because luck or chance play such a large role in season outcomes. Furthermore, we can’t even say that we know a coach made a bad decision, because we can’t provide the counter factual. We can’t replay the game and make a different choice with lineups or strategy to see what happens.

Now, I know some of you have become frustrated. You probably think I’m telling you that you can’t critique a coach. I’m not saying that at all. You can question coach’s decisions, but you can’t know they made the wrong choice. This is probably particularly relevant for our team. The tone surrounding Monty Williams’ performance has grown particularly knowing, in my opinion. We could all benefit from remembering that we can’t know how well things would have gone if Monty played the strategies we wished he would have.


Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:10 am to
Great read from BSS. A follow up is coming on Monty specifically. Comments section should be a shitshow

Here's a look at the Spurs. An interesting part is the age of Duncan's teammates throughout his career. BSS had a great piece on Davis, his future, and what to look for (age among the considerations) around him.



LINK
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:20 am to
I'll check out the link. The way S.A. acquires solid, role playing talent is amazing to me. And it also demonstrates that AD could truly be the "cornerstone" (yuk) of a very successful franchise without the Miami or L.A. star power model.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:33 am to
He hits the role players too



Remarkable. PER is obviously not a perfect measure. But still remarkable

I just don't know if you can expect Demps/Monty or whomever to be as good at everything as the Spurs have for the last 20 years.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:16 pm to
Amazing feature on David West in the Indy Star.

The whole thing is worth it. Hell of a guy. Here's some quotes on New Orleans

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Here he was in the 21st century, and West was learning that chain gangs were still very real, filled with men who looked like himself and his Hornets teammates. When he visited local juvenile detention centers, he met boys who were charged with felonies but should've been in the third grade. Those who weren't locked up might be attending parish elementary schools where the lunchroom has a dirt floor and the books in the library are 20 years out of date.

"You go to certain parts of New Orleans and (if) you had a blindfold on and someone took the blindfold off, you would think you weren't in America," West said. "And I was having a difficult time getting paid a million or so dollars — and when I got into the NBA, I realized that I was on my own in feeling like that.
"(I'm like), 'Yo! Nobody else sees that there's something wrong here?'"

With this war waging in his mind, West found the locker room to be a lonely place. So as not to alienate himself, West subtly conformed.

After West didn't take kindly to a New Orleans reporter using the so-called compliment "well spoken athlete" to describe him, he allowed a member of the team's public relations staff to sit in on interviews to serve as a buffer. West also recalled a time when a teammate passed by his seat on the plane and noticed that he was reading "Soul on Ice" by Eldridge Cleaver.

"Man, you're always reading something crazy!" the teammate said, so West thought to himself that maybe he shouldn't break out his books in front of everyone.

"I learned this my first couple of years: A locker room can be an uncomfortable environment," West said. "And in that environment, it was hard for me to find a balance. It was hard, literally, for me being a thinker; every single day my mind is just running. At times, I'm not focused on basketball."

Then on his 25th birthday, West got a punch to his gut.

The scenes on television were hard to imagine, levees folding under the might of Hurricane Katrina and entire portions of an American city underwater. West couldn't take it anymore.

"That sort of hit me," West said, punching his right first into his left palm, "I realized how far behind not only New Orleans was, but how far behind we were as black people."

West, the gruff in his baritone easing into an impassioned monologue, continued.

"With all the money and the fame and the acclaim and the advancement that we claimed we made, we really (have) not made any big steps because Katrina was the biggest smack for me," West said. "It just illustrated how dependent we are as people on other people. The majority of the people affected by Hurricane Katrina were African-American people, and with all the celebrity that we have, all the money that we have, all of this fame and fortune, we're so disbanded that when our people are literally on TV in need of help, we got nothing to bring them.

"Katrina really altered how I was going to look at (and) how I was going to approach this NBA thing."


LINK
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:18 am to
Another Spurs write up, this one on their evolution as an offense and just how great Pop is.

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Anyone that hopes to have a long coaching career in the NBA makes adjustments,


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Great team building is not just about bringing in players that fit the system. It's also about adjusting the system to fit the players. The Spurs seem to know that, and Pop has been flexible when it comes to incorporating new plays or new roles into what the Spurs do. If a player does something unplanned that works, or if he shows he can consistently be successful while trying something that was not supposed to be a part of his skill set, the Spurs incorporate it into the offense.


CC to Monty pls, thx

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"I think competitive character people don't want to be manipulated constantly to do what one individual wants them to do. It's a great feeling when players get together and do things as a group. Whatever can be done to empower those people...", Pop told Jeff McDonald of the Express-News. And despite a carefully cultivated public image of a stern disciplinarian and perfectionist, he practices what he preaches in that statement. "It’s a players’ game and they’ve got to perform. The better you can get that across, the more they take over and the more smoothly it runs. Then you interject here or there. You call a play during the game at some point or make a substitution, that kind of thing that helps the team win. But they basically have to take charge or you never get to the top of the mountain."


Fascinating in light of the coaching link ATL posted- Pop seems to agree with Berri. Of course it's easier to trust Duncan, Parker, and Manu than most players.

quote:

What makes Pop great is his focus on long term, sustained success. That's not accomplished in a year. The way the Spurs have played this season is the result of a process that started long ago. It's a process that's still going.


This is something to remember when thinking about the Pels. 42 has mentioned it many times.

I'm not particularly confident that Demps and Monty are the guys to lay that framework, but things need perspective for proper assessment. I don't want a quick fix and a repeat of the Paul Hornets- marble facade covering Chinese drywall infrastructure.

LINK
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:31 pm to
Great article on West. That's exactly why we need a vet like Deng more than a new rookie.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:55 pm to
I remember a feature on Pops a few months ago when he said there were times during a timeout when he told the guys "You're on the floor. You figure it out. ".
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:25 pm to
I have been doing some thinking, and I am currently of the opinion that this team is more fluid in terms of construction than many seem to believe.

I'll be collecting the thoughts more cleanly, but I think the team, as of now, is Jrue and Anthony. The end. Everyone else is fodder.

Thoughts?
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:36 pm to
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I'll be collecting the thoughts more cleanly, but I think the team, as of now, is Jrue and Anthony. The end. Everyone else is fodder.

Thoughts?
I think the injury locks Anderson in, as well. For now.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:49 pm to
Not convinced, but it certainly raises questions about if he can be moved in the short term or for what.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:56 pm to
You can't trade Anderson this summer. At the deadline sure, but you sell low if you sell before he proves he's back to normal.

I do think one of the more plausible Gordon trades could make Anderson a little more expendable. Bargnani isn't as good as Anderson, but he's a starting caliber stretch big that you should be able to sign cheaper.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:30 pm to
Maybe on Anderson, maybe not.

If he's on track come July, he'll be desired. It'll depend on the deal.
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17713 posts
Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:58 am to
If I were the GM, I would have traded Ryan this offseason for my first choice, a rim protecting 5, or secondly, a long 3 who can play defense first, and knock down threes.

His injury changes the whole plan.
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