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re: Does this team allow gentry to stick around a few more years?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:06 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:06 pm to Soggymoss
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As far as him telling Lebron anything, I just linked articles that state otherwise.
As far as what has he done, you just answered it. He won a championship against a Golden State team that went 73-9. He also coached the same Cavs to 2 more finals appearances before losing to those same Warriors that added Durant.
With LeBron.....
In a terrible, terrible East.
Sorry I’m not putting my superstar sized eggs to trust development with that guy.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:18 pm to Soggymoss
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Still downvoted with nobody chiming up with a good reason why..
He's an unknown quantity and unproven based on who he's coached. See Avery Johnson. I'm not saying he's as bad as Avery Johnson, we just don't know. It also doesn't help that it appeared he got the job by being a friend of LeBron.
I trust the Pels brain trust to actually debate the decision and make a solid decision, but based on what little we fans tend to know about coaches, Lue doesn't really check any boxes for me. The way the team is playing now, I have to think Finch should get some consideration.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:19 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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With LeBron.....
Again, this is all anyone has to say.
By this logic Kerr must be a bad coach because as soon as he doesn't have Klay, Steph and Durant, his team sucks.
I'll quote another article for you
quote:
It starts with the coach’s ability to relate to players,” Drew said. “A great coach has to know players, know how to put players in a position to be successful and has to know how to adjust.”
The greatest challenge for an NBA coach who leads a team with a megastar player is gaining the player’s respect. “If they see you’re not on point and you don’t know exactly what you’re doing, they can lose respect for you,” Drew said.
The challenge is compounded for anyone who coaches James because his basketball IQ is off the charts.
“LeBron is as sharp as they come,” Drew said. “You’ve got to be pinpoint with your strategy, with what you do, why you do it and what happens if it doesn’t work.
“All those types of guys,” Drew added, referring to iconic players such as James, “that’s what they expect. Anything less will likely end in failure.”
Having generational players like James can make coaching a no-win challenge: The head coach gets the blame and very little of the credit.
James is often projected as Cleveland’s shadow coach and stealth general manager.
This is Lue’s reality. He has made peace with it but believes that type of talk slights his staff.
“What it does is take shots at people who are working hard, trying to do an excellent job,” Lue said. “That’s the hard part.”
In the 2016 NBA Finals, Cleveland came back from a 3-1 deficit to defeat Golden State. Lue replaced David Blatt at midseason and led the Cavaliers to the franchise’s first NBA title.
Lue pointed out that in three out of the four Finals victories, Cleveland held Golden State’s vaunted offense in check.
“We hold them to 89 points on their home court in Game 7. LeBron’s not doing that,” Lue said, simply making the point that his staff did an effective job of putting schemes together to stop the Warriors’ high-powered offense.
“That says a lot. We have a great staff.”
This is the flip side of coaching a generational player.
Critics say that Phil Jackson would not have had his titles in Chicago without Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, or in Los Angeles without O’Neal and Bryant.
It’s hard to coach superstars, Lue said. “You have to get them to buy into your plan, your vision. You must have a shared vision.
“The players run the league,” Lue said. “This is not college, where the coach runs it. It’s not overseas. This is the NBA, so when you have those great players, they run the league. If they’re not happy with you, you’ll be gone.”
quote:
As we concluded the conversation, Lue thought about the future and said at some point in his head-coaching career, he would like to coach a team of younger, less experienced players.
Obviously, the run with James and a veteran Cavaliers team has been great.
“I’ve seen that side. I’ve dealt with a veteran team for the last three years,” Lue said. “If I get a chance or an opportunity, I would like to coach younger talent to see if I can coach those guys to take on my personality, coach them and mold them to the team I want them to be.”
He added that it’s rewarding to coach veteran teams like Cleveland because the players have been through the battles, they know who they are.
“When you coach a veteran team, you can’t mold,” he said. “They already are who they are. There is no changing those guys — which is not a bad thing.”
Lue said coaches are no different from players who want to challenge themselves.
His challenge would be eventually winning with the type of younger players Cleveland traded for this season. “You want to take on a different role and responsibility, that you can coach a young team and mold that team to be a good team, a tough team, a playoff team when they have not won,” Lue said.
LINK
This is a guy that will change himself to match his players, however he wants his players to have his X's and O's mindset.
There could be better candidates out there sure, but I'm just looking at it reasonably, Lue was Griffs choice in Cleveland, he has a history with Griff, he has the type of mindset we need in a coach.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:39 pm to TigerinATL
So it's just apprehension for you?
The same can be said for any coach that we would hire.
A Popovich won't be walking through our doors
The same can be said for any coach that we would hire.
A Popovich won't be walking through our doors
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:42 pm to Soggymoss
Agreed. Fans generally have a terrible information base to evaluate coaching candidates with. That’s why so many people gravitate towards names.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:50 pm to Soggymoss
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This is a guy that will change himself to match his players, however he wants his players to have his X's and O's mindset
All these articles you quote won’t really show anything of substance. You know how many good coaches, bad coaches, and aspiring coaches could say the right things in interviews, but not be the same way when it matters? Just because he says he wants to form a tough, hard nosed team of young guys in the article, does not mean he can do it.
We have a very limited sample size for Lue and all the years he coached he coached LeBron (pretty much LeBron’s sidekick) in a shitty East. I’m not positive he’d be bad, but he’s definitely not the coach you want to put in charge of this incredibly young team. He has a history of being pushed around and looking like a beta, and I’m not sure he’d be much different than Gentry here
And I’m not saying he doesnt deserve a chance from someone, he just hasn’t shown enough to be trusted with one of the youngest teams in the NBA imo
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:52 pm to Soggymoss
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than "Hes a bad coach", and they never have facts to back that statement up..
IMO we could do far worse than Lue
You’re out your fricking mind.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:02 pm to Fun Bunch
The Pels have a great front office and ownership situation, and the roster has the best collection of young talent and assets in th league. The Pels will be the top job on the market when it’s available. They should be able to get better than “you can’t prove he’s bad”.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:06 pm to TigerinATL
Exactly. Look, we are fans so we only really know names and retreads.
These guys know better.
And we should be shooting for much better than that.
I would much prefer a name I don’t know that GriffLang considers a sharp young mind, rather than a guy like freaking Lue.
These guys know better.
And we should be shooting for much better than that.
I would much prefer a name I don’t know that GriffLang considers a sharp young mind, rather than a guy like freaking Lue.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:48 pm to Townedrunkard
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Weren’t you just touting picking Ja over Zion a few weeks ago? Flipped on that 2 now?
memphis was supposed to win 27 games.
Same system had pels at 38.
Memphis just won #28.
Brandon clarke had 27 in 22 minutes. Its not just morant.
Morant is avg 17 and 7 in 28 minutes.
Last to do that as rookie mark price.
Zion is spectacular.
Morant is a way better basketball player today.
Lifted the team.
I think zions best is ahead of him.
Because of my concern about zions body i would still take morant.
Pels rolled the dice and for a couple weeks it looked bad.
I hope its the last time zion misses time.
Morant missed 2 or 3 games this year with back injury after falling on camera man at end line.
Memphis was without valunciunas to open season.
They were 1-7.
He had 18 boards tonight.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:45 pm to CelticDog
Shut the frick up
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:46 am to CelticDog
quote:I’ve always defended Gentry and still do, but if we don’t make the playoffs, it’ll be greatly disappointing given how the schedule has lined up, and there are probably several current assistants with bright futures who could do some impressive things in a few years in New Orleans.
do you think he has to get into playoffs to keep job?
I’m fine moving on if no playoffs. If we make the playoffs, however, might be best not to mess with a good thing.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 5:28 am to TigerinATL
So you would rather go with a multi time retread?
Thib
Van Gundy
Jackson
Kidd
I mean, that's the only way you'll have a proven coach.
Nobody knows if Stackhouse, Hammond, Finch etc would be any good
Thib
Van Gundy
Jackson
Kidd
I mean, that's the only way you'll have a proven coach.
Nobody knows if Stackhouse, Hammond, Finch etc would be any good
Posted on 2/13/20 at 6:25 am to Soggymoss
Why are we arguing about the potential next coach when this team is must watch every night?
Plenty of time come spring/summer to go back and forth on all of this. Let's enjoy a young team playing good, fun basketball while we can.
Plenty of time come spring/summer to go back and forth on all of this. Let's enjoy a young team playing good, fun basketball while we can.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 6:41 am to Soggymoss
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So you would rather go with a multi time retread?
I know I'm not qualified to pick, but that still doesn't make Lue feel any less like another Avery Johnson to me. I would like the coach to be an up and coming assistant type of Griff and Langdon's choosing. This front office is smart, isn't under any pressure to cut corners, and has enough influential voices involved in the decision making process that the final choice should be the best candidate rather than the most comfortable/familiar candidate.
I also think the assistants are almost as important as the coach. I've defended the Gentry regime a lot the past few years because he takes input freely from his staff and they've given him a very good set of assistants. So whoever they pick needs a stacked bench and I don't have any reason to doubt that will happen.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:21 am to TigerinATL
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doesn't make Lue feel any less like another Avery Johnson to me. I
worse.
If lue gets it i will stop watching them.
He makes me vomit.
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