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re: Did we trade Asik for Mirotic?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:50 pm to Jester
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:50 pm to Jester
Yeah I actually think he's better at driving the ball than he is shooting from range and wish he would drive more. I just don't know what we're going to get out of him this year as he's rounding back into shape.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:50 pm to Jester
The problem we saw tonight without Cousins is what killed the Pels last year when they went small, rebounding. They really need a blue collar big.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 3:36 am to TigerinATL
What's depressing about the Boogie injury, as I've stated before, Dell needed to trade our 1st for a serviceable/above-average big, once we committed to,basically not playing Diallo (stalled development), Ajinca (archaic game), coupled with Asik's useless body (archaic game/medical retirement rumors/mystery illness).
This fact was readily apparent in late November/early December when Boogie would get exhausted at the end of games or in games involving Warriors/Rockets/etc. Also, one had to be concerned about injuries as well with your entire team's frontcourt,legitimately, consisting of only 2 players. Consequently, it was imperative to trade for a 3rd big (Miritoc/comparable player) and hopefully Dell could have also swindled and secured in said trade, an underutilized or developing SF/tall wing player (multi-team trade/Justin Holiday/Grant/Valentine) who could provided an alternative to Cunningham getting minutes at 3 and return Moore to a 6th man weapon.
Now, Dell has to do the same trick, except it's just to attempt to secure barely making the playoffs and a likely 1st round exit to Warriors/Rockets, instead of turning us into viable/serious contenders to battle Warriors in WCF.
I have to assume Dell was looking for a legit, starting-caliber SF, with our 1st rounder, but with Solo always assumed to be returning in February, as previously indicated by Dell, himself, and others, we needed to,shore up our 2nd unit with a solid 4/5 player and more importantly, a big who could allow for resting AD/Boogie considerably more, even in marquee games and during the playoffs.
IMO, if we lose AD in years to come, I will always believe that failure to make a trade for a 3rd big, especially after the revelation of Miritoc being secured by the Pels for a 1st rd pick/Asik's worthless contract,might possibly be Dell's biggest blunder in all his years. And I have been a staunch Dell supporter, who always defended Dell's GM skills/moves, due to injuries or unique circumstances (Laker trade veto, forced-hand resigning of E. Gordon (moonhead), necessity of a center to appease Davis, etc....
Felt Dell's only "bad moves" were, resigning Asik (Alvin vouched more for that re-signing) and the baffling trade for Jerry Bayless, utilizing our 1st round pick, only to jettison him to Toronto, after less than a month on the team.
But, again, with so much at stake for Dell and Alvin's tenure to continue in New Orleans or be terminated, based on making the playoffs AND a promising 1st round showing, I truly believe Dell has possibly committed his fatal flaw, suprisingly, due to inaction. Since drafting AD, Dell has pretty much traded all our 1st round picks (sans 2011 and 2017) with the hopes of attaining young, veteran help to surround AD with.
In December, once we started to flounder and endured, inexplicable losses, realized the physical toll playing AD and Boogie, especially, for 35-40+ min/per game, this year, 2nd unit needing a big to gain balance, player away from formidability/Solo return), etc., it was absolutely imperative and critical to this year's success, AD staying and quite possibly the franchise remaining in New Orleans, to TRADE FOR A 3RD BIG!!!!
NOW, even with an imminent trade of our 1st rounder and securing a viable big to play alongside and start with Davis, they would still be relegated to the same problem, to begin with.... Needing a 3rd big, to balance the team out!!
It's disheartening that, what could of have been our most promising team ever in New Orleans, present and immediate future, is likely ruined or worse, for reasons that Dell and Alvin will have to answer to, with their job firing.
Long post, but I wanted to share and get people's thoughts/ reaction, to this line of thinking.... ??????
This fact was readily apparent in late November/early December when Boogie would get exhausted at the end of games or in games involving Warriors/Rockets/etc. Also, one had to be concerned about injuries as well with your entire team's frontcourt,legitimately, consisting of only 2 players. Consequently, it was imperative to trade for a 3rd big (Miritoc/comparable player) and hopefully Dell could have also swindled and secured in said trade, an underutilized or developing SF/tall wing player (multi-team trade/Justin Holiday/Grant/Valentine) who could provided an alternative to Cunningham getting minutes at 3 and return Moore to a 6th man weapon.
Now, Dell has to do the same trick, except it's just to attempt to secure barely making the playoffs and a likely 1st round exit to Warriors/Rockets, instead of turning us into viable/serious contenders to battle Warriors in WCF.
I have to assume Dell was looking for a legit, starting-caliber SF, with our 1st rounder, but with Solo always assumed to be returning in February, as previously indicated by Dell, himself, and others, we needed to,shore up our 2nd unit with a solid 4/5 player and more importantly, a big who could allow for resting AD/Boogie considerably more, even in marquee games and during the playoffs.
IMO, if we lose AD in years to come, I will always believe that failure to make a trade for a 3rd big, especially after the revelation of Miritoc being secured by the Pels for a 1st rd pick/Asik's worthless contract,might possibly be Dell's biggest blunder in all his years. And I have been a staunch Dell supporter, who always defended Dell's GM skills/moves, due to injuries or unique circumstances (Laker trade veto, forced-hand resigning of E. Gordon (moonhead), necessity of a center to appease Davis, etc....
Felt Dell's only "bad moves" were, resigning Asik (Alvin vouched more for that re-signing) and the baffling trade for Jerry Bayless, utilizing our 1st round pick, only to jettison him to Toronto, after less than a month on the team.
But, again, with so much at stake for Dell and Alvin's tenure to continue in New Orleans or be terminated, based on making the playoffs AND a promising 1st round showing, I truly believe Dell has possibly committed his fatal flaw, suprisingly, due to inaction. Since drafting AD, Dell has pretty much traded all our 1st round picks (sans 2011 and 2017) with the hopes of attaining young, veteran help to surround AD with.
In December, once we started to flounder and endured, inexplicable losses, realized the physical toll playing AD and Boogie, especially, for 35-40+ min/per game, this year, 2nd unit needing a big to gain balance, player away from formidability/Solo return), etc., it was absolutely imperative and critical to this year's success, AD staying and quite possibly the franchise remaining in New Orleans, to TRADE FOR A 3RD BIG!!!!
NOW, even with an imminent trade of our 1st rounder and securing a viable big to play alongside and start with Davis, they would still be relegated to the same problem, to begin with.... Needing a 3rd big, to balance the team out!!
It's disheartening that, what could of have been our most promising team ever in New Orleans, present and immediate future, is likely ruined or worse, for reasons that Dell and Alvin will have to answer to, with their job firing.
Long post, but I wanted to share and get people's thoughts/ reaction, to this line of thinking.... ??????
Posted on 1/31/18 at 6:49 am to irvchilichill1
I'll say this, if AD can't keep this team in the playoff hunt, then i would not be opposed to trading him this offseason. The only reason i'd keep him is if Cousins is resigned. I would not be opposed to blowing it up at this point. He is not this franchise leading once in a generation player we thought he was going to be, and i don't see him becoming that either. Yes he's a great player, a perennial all star, but he can't survive on his own as the lead man, and we have no way of getting that lead man anytime soon. Cousins seemed to be that man, and now that all went to hell.
AD 6 years into his career shouldn't be leading his team to a 30 win season. we aren't that terrible outside of him compared to teams Garnett and Dirk played on and won 50+. He simply isn't of their caliber. we look like a 30 win team again without Cousins, like we have been the past 2 years.
AD 6 years into his career shouldn't be leading his team to a 30 win season. we aren't that terrible outside of him compared to teams Garnett and Dirk played on and won 50+. He simply isn't of their caliber. we look like a 30 win team again without Cousins, like we have been the past 2 years.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:44 am to TeddyPadillac
With the Mirotic to New Orleans deal hitting a pause, the Jazz continue their pursuit of Niko….Per sources, they are still hesitant to include a first, but they are interested and feel Mirotic can help their roster – via Twitter tribjazz
the Pels have also been linked to the Hawks’ Kent Bazemore and the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson. Hornets forward Nic Batum is too rich for their blood with his mega contract (three years to run at around $77 million).– via Sporting News
the Pels have also been linked to the Hawks’ Kent Bazemore and the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson. Hornets forward Nic Batum is too rich for their blood with his mega contract (three years to run at around $77 million).– via Sporting News
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 7:47 am
Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:56 am to PelicansBay
Exactly - other teams aren't willing to include a first so why should Dell budge on his demand of Bulls taking Ajinca?
And if they don't, plenty of other similar players that he can get from a team willing to take on Ajinca.
I like Dell playing hardball. Even if eventually he caves and does it without Ajinca, it's smart to try.
And if they don't, plenty of other similar players that he can get from a team willing to take on Ajinca.
I like Dell playing hardball. Even if eventually he caves and does it without Ajinca, it's smart to try.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:04 am to PelicansBay
Bazemore doesn't seem realistic, he makes too much money. Even if you traded Asik/Ajinca/Allen for him with no pick involved, you have to dump Moore just to have $5 million to fill out the roster. You can't bring back Rondo meaning Bazemore starts next to Holiday and your bench would consist of Miller/Jackson/Diallo and 3 minimum guys.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:10 am to TigerinATL
Agreed. IDK how we make Bazemore work. Maybe Clarkson, but only if we're getting Nance and sending out Asik and Ajinca.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:13 am to LesGeaux45
quote:
Agreed. IDK how we make Bazemore work. Maybe Clarkson, but only if we're getting Nance and sending out Asik and Ajinca.
Read the article I just posted, it has a Pels trade scenario with the Hawks.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:13 am to PelicansBay
Can you imagine the backlash if we did that deal? Send off Solo and Ian Clark and a 1st rounder for 2 guys who have already been on this roster in Babbitt and Belinelli? Yeah, I know it would also unload Asik's contract and we'd also pick up the Hawks' big man, but fans might burn down the SKC if this deal happened.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:14 am to PelicansBay
This is the first trade from your link:
Atlanta Hawks Receive: C Alexis Ajinca, SG/SF Ian Clark, SF/PF Solomon Hill, 2018 first-round pick (top-10 protected), 2019 second-round pick
New Orleans Pelicans Receive: PF Luke Babbitt, SG/SF Marco Belinelli, C Dewayne Dedmon
Are they fricking retarded?
Atlanta Hawks Receive: C Alexis Ajinca, SG/SF Ian Clark, SF/PF Solomon Hill, 2018 first-round pick (top-10 protected), 2019 second-round pick
New Orleans Pelicans Receive: PF Luke Babbitt, SG/SF Marco Belinelli, C Dewayne Dedmon
Are they fricking retarded?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:21 am to Jizzamo311
I'm not a big fan of the proposed Hawks deal; it does clear the books of all the Pels 'bad contracts' besides Asik.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:28 am to PelicansBay
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it does clear the books of all of the Pels 'bad contracts' besides Asik.
That doesn't really get you anything unless you're ready to walk away from Cousins and think you can get another max player in FA. If you keep Cousins, even if you stretch Asik it puts you in the position of having so little cap space that you're better off keeping and using the MLE.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:33 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Maybe we can throw in a Future 1st as well for the rights to Dan Dickau.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
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That doesn't really get you anything unless you're ready to walk away from Cousins and think you can get another max player in FA. If you keep Cousins, even if you stretch Asik it puts you in the position of having so little cap space that you're better off keeping and using the MLE.
In this offseason scenario, maybe the Pels will be able to flip Asik's expiring for someone useful (like Mirotic if the Bulls still have him). Maybe, they package Moore and Asik for a player. I'm not a fan of the proposed Hawks trade; I see how it would clear the books, to re-sign Boogie.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:52 am to PelicansBay
I don't think I've ever seen a Bleacher Report trade that I've thought made sense. Their goal always seems to be "how can we make the Pels worse" 
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:56 am to LesGeaux45
Yet Bleacher Report thinks they are better than Barstool.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 9:53 am to Whodatforlife21
I hope the Mirotic trade ends up being agreed to. The reason I question if it will: When has any Pelican trade went through after being leaked? The trades for Holiday and Boogie came out of nowhere, with little to no previous speculation.
KC Johnson @KCJHoop
about 7 minutes ago
This was reported widely yesterday, including here. Without option getting picked up, Mirotic won't agree to Pelicans trade. And Pelicans have tax concerns w/ plans to re-sign Cousins so aren't amenable to doing so. Doesn't sound like stances will change for now (or ever?)
Mason Ginsberg
@MasonGinsberg
Sounds like the Bulls may be trying to call Demps' bluff here. "We'll back out before we take both Asik AND Ajinca." Let's see what the next move is.
KC Johnson @KCJHoop
about 7 minutes ago
This was reported widely yesterday, including here. Without option getting picked up, Mirotic won't agree to Pelicans trade. And Pelicans have tax concerns w/ plans to re-sign Cousins so aren't amenable to doing so. Doesn't sound like stances will change for now (or ever?)
Mason Ginsberg
@MasonGinsberg
Sounds like the Bulls may be trying to call Demps' bluff here. "We'll back out before we take both Asik AND Ajinca." Let's see what the next move is.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 11:49 am
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