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re: Demps just got himself fired
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:53 pm to Toula
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:53 pm to Toula
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There were picks out there to get. No doubt in my mind.
why havent they changed hands?
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or letting them walk for nothing.
not a big deal. We are granted large amounts of cap space now
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl
Again, the Grizzlies Clippers deal did just happen.
The Clippers also were reported to have inquired about Ryno.
The Clippers also were reported to have inquired about Ryno.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:55 pm to eyeran
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Loomis and co. weren't surprised by today's outcome. They were in on the decision(s).
I think Loomis hasn't gotten enough heat for his role in all this. He's the one that bet on Demps when he had the opportunity for a clean break and there were compelling alternatives.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:55 pm to NOLA Bronco
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You can't assume that we would of remained in the same draft positions if we didn't trade for guys like Jrue, Evans or Asik.
You're correct technically, but we can play the hypothetical game all day and never reach a conclusion. I don't think we would have been much better, or much worse over the last couple of years with or without those trades.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:56 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Again, the Grizzlies Clippers deal did just happen.
The Clippers also were reported to have inquired about Ryno.
A "highly protected" 2019 1st might be of use to whoever is the GM 2 regime's from now. Of all the trades to ask "why not Ryno", that isn't one of them.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:58 pm to mm2316
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You're correct technically, but we can play the hypothetical game all day and never reach a conclusion. I don't think we would have been much better, or much worse over the last couple of years with or without those trades.
We certainly wouldn't have been better, the only question is how much worse?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:01 pm to TigerinATL
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A "highly protected" 2019 1st might be of use to whoever is the GM 2 regime's from now. Of all the trades to ask "why not Ryno", that isn't one of them.
This is in response to the assertion that there is no evidence of any deals out there for Ryno that could net something other then bad contracts.
And at the end of the day, if the choice did for some reason become a 2019 top 10 protected first rounder and an expiring for Ryno that can indirectly help the tank, or nothing, I would swallow my pride and take it.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:10 pm to htran90
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1. Re-Signed EG instead of S&T to Phoenix
2. Drafted Austin Rivers
3. Giving up 2 1st rounders for Jrue
4. Traded GV and RoLo for Tyreke
5. Traded a 1st rounder for Omer Asik
6. Re-Signed Omer Asik
7. Kept an expiring EG and Ryno
Number 1 was him not getting Eric Bledsoe from the Clippers
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:14 pm to NOLA Bronco
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This is in response to the assertion that there is no evidence of any deals out there for Ryno that could net something other then bad contracts.
Sorry, the posts are flying fast today
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at the end of the day, if the choice did for some reason become a 2019 top 10 protected first rounder and an expiring for Ryno that can indirectly help the tank, or nothing, I would swallow my pride and take it.
That Minnesota pick we traded for and used on Austin Rivers was one the Clippers were sitting on for like 5 years, so you certainly can't dismiss it, but it just seems like that'd be a pretty hard sell for any GM to make, let alone one on a hot seat.
And I guess this is the first time I've seen those words strung together in that order, but I just realized we essentially gave that Minnesota pick, the prize of the CP3 trade at one time, back to the Clippers.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:16 pm to MrWiseGuy
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not getting Eric Bledsoe from the Clippers
I have no idea why this board overrates Bledsoe so much. Go look at his games played, he's as bad as Gordon. Literally every other year he's missed more than half the season.
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:17 pm to TigerinATL
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I have no idea why this board overrates Bledsoe so much. Go look at his games played, he's as bad as Gordon.
he's better than Aminu
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:23 pm to TigerinATL
And that's with a competent medical staff.
And I'd like to add getting an All Star point guard in Jrue for 2 1st round players that maybe/maybe not work out in a point guard driven league was not a bad deal. Now not knowing the injury that Jrue came with is a whole other story.
And I'd like to add getting an All Star point guard in Jrue for 2 1st round players that maybe/maybe not work out in a point guard driven league was not a bad deal. Now not knowing the injury that Jrue came with is a whole other story.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:30 pm to Gtothemoney
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And I'd like to add getting an All Star point guard in Jrue for 2 1st round players that maybe/maybe not work out in a point guard driven league was not a bad deal. Now not knowing the injury that Jrue came with is a whole other story.
that's why i said in hindsight.
Signing EG and getting Jrue were solid moves.
Everything else was a bad move, followed by a reaction to fix said bad move (i.e. sending RoLo away then trading a 1st for a center).
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:33 pm to htran90
I know. That really wasn't for you. That draft absolutely sucked.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:50 pm to Gtothemoney
Yeah.
Given hindsight, I wouldnt be upset with just taking Noel that year. Size issues be damned, he can defend as a 5. Holiday is better, but Noel offers something they need too.
The next year's pick, who knows. Still need a guy to get Davis and Noel the ball. Evans mobe shouldnt happen in this scenario and they still have Rolo on a cheap deal to move for help in 2014? But it's a mess
Given hindsight, I wouldnt be upset with just taking Noel that year. Size issues be damned, he can defend as a 5. Holiday is better, but Noel offers something they need too.
The next year's pick, who knows. Still need a guy to get Davis and Noel the ball. Evans mobe shouldnt happen in this scenario and they still have Rolo on a cheap deal to move for help in 2014? But it's a mess
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:16 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I agree. As a die hard Saints fan, too, the idea of Loomis being the ultimate decision maker, or picking Demps' successor doesn't make me feel any better about the situation we're in.
I think Loomis hasn't gotten enough heat for his role in all this. He's the one that bet on Demps when he had the opportunity for a clean break and there were compelling alternatives.
And just so to be clear, I think it was a mistake not to trade Ryno. Everybody loves him, be we needed to get something for him. I've believed that even before this year, when he just wasn't a good fit next to Davis, as long as neither would guard centers.
My only point in this particular thread was that most of the board seems to agree that Demps has had the reigns pulled in to some extent. How much, depends on who you ask. So the idea that this is what gets him fired is nonsisical when he was likely getting marching orders from Loomis or whoever is actually in charge.
Demps isn't making decisions with zero oversight. He's not accepting or declining trades without the input of his boss. Most of the board seems to be of the mind that we needed to get something for Anderson. Well that clearly wasn't Demps' marching orders or Anderson would've been traded.
If Loomis decided Anderson had to be gone today, he'd be gone. He's the ultimate decision maker on trades. Demps has to get the ok from him.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:21 pm to corndeaux
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Yeah.
Given hindsight, I wouldnt be upset with just taking Noel that year. Size issues be damned, he can defend as a 5. Holiday is better, but Noel offers something they need too.
The next year's pick, who knows. Still need a guy to get Davis and Noel the ball. Evans mobe shouldnt happen in this scenario and they still have Rolo on a cheap deal to move for help in 2014? But it's a mess
Hindsight is the best game ever
Consider the possibility of us not drafting Rivers, but instead Zeller. Not trading for Jrue, still getting Tyreke, drafting Payton, sending the 2015 1st rounder to Portland for Batum.
PG: Tyreke/Payton/Cole
SG: EG/QPon/Douglas
SF: Batum/Qpon/Cunningham
PF: AD/Ryno/Cunningham
C: Noel/Zeller/Ajinca
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:26 pm to htran90
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:45 pm to corndeaux
I was on board until the still getting Tyrec part. That may have been the worst move he has made, in a vacuum much less in context of what preceded it.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 5:11 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Again, the Grizzlies Clippers deal did just happen.
The Clippers also were reported to have inquired about Ryno.
this isnt a video game, son
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