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re: Can the Pels be serious contenders next year with this roster?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:30 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:30 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Next season will not be a failure unless we are bitten hard by the injury issues again
How many years have we said this?
1
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:34 pm to touchdownjeebus
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How many years have we said this?
I’ve lost count. 5 or 6
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:57 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Another buyout player purposely not choosing NOLA just illustrates how broken this franchise is.
It’s a reflection of the culture of the franchise which I would imagine is a laughing stock to many in the league. This is the fault of management. We have “superstar” players in AD and Boogie and yet no one wants to play with them. Niko wants to be here because of Rondo. Monroe spurned his own hometown. Clearly we need shooters and a gunner who would get playing time chooses not to come.
It’s a awfully sad state of affairs and I really don’t see it improving.
It’s a reflection of the culture of the franchise which I would imagine is a laughing stock to many in the league. This is the fault of management. We have “superstar” players in AD and Boogie and yet no one wants to play with them. Niko wants to be here because of Rondo. Monroe spurned his own hometown. Clearly we need shooters and a gunner who would get playing time chooses not to come.
It’s a awfully sad state of affairs and I really don’t see it improving.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:20 pm to Soup Sammich
The Pels won't be contenders until they move to Seattle.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 5:45 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:I do agree here. A coach at the college or pro level should know how to play to the strengths of the team. It bewilders me how much more intellectual the colleges coaches are compared to the NBA coaches.
an NBA coach has to be more talented then being tied down to one set of talent imo.
The problem is that NBA players want a coach that will take the backseat. Great college coaches know how difficult it is to coach an adult vs a college kid.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:03 am to Ryan3232
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NBA coach has to be more talented then being tied down to one set of talent imo
right. Phil Jackson didn't have a system. DAntoni doesn't have a system. Kerr doesn't have a system. Stevens doesn't have a system. Pop doesn't have a system. Carlisle doesn't have a system. Etc etc etc
Obviously there are tweaks, but every coach has core principles they believe in and things they will run. There is no magic coach who changes up their entire belief system each year. That idea would be laughable if it weren't so destructive
Those coaches succeed because they are great at getting players to buy in, are on the same page w/ their front offices in finding talent, are great at finding ways to maximize that talent AND they have talent that can win big
Gentry is poor as a head coach w/ buy in and maximizing talent. The Pels are terrible at finding talent to make his system go.
Having a system is not a Gentry problem. Pels knew who he was when they hired him. If they didn't believe in what he was selling, they should not have hired him. If they really thought he could turn the Pels into the Warriors in one summer, then they are lazy and can't evaluate their own talent
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how much more intellectual the colleges coaches are compared to the NBA coaches.
lol
Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:59 am to Soup Sammich
Cousins will not be playing until after the allstar break next season, if at all. That's a minimum of 1 year for a regular human not a 7'0 275lb manthat needs explosive movement.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 8:19 am to WhiteMandingo
Wesley Matthews had the same injury later in the season than Cousins, in March, and played 78 games the following year. It looks like he was off a 30 MPG minutes restriction by mid November.
Also, the more I see Mirotic play the more excited I get at the prospect of #DoItBig again next season. Even with a lesser Cousins you’ll have more big than most teams can handle the entire game rotating those 3.
Also, the more I see Mirotic play the more excited I get at the prospect of #DoItBig again next season. Even with a lesser Cousins you’ll have more big than most teams can handle the entire game rotating those 3.
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 8:24 am
Posted on 2/11/18 at 8:21 am to TigerinATL
Yeah, that guy is an idiot.
He will be back playing before 2018 ends. Either November or December.
Now, we can debate how effective he will be next year. But somebody saying he won't play until AS break is just deeply misinformed.
He will be back playing before 2018 ends. Either November or December.
Now, we can debate how effective he will be next year. But somebody saying he won't play until AS break is just deeply misinformed.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
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Wesley Matthews had the same injury later in the season than Cousins, in March, and played 78 games the following year. It looks like he was off a 30 MPG minutes restriction by mid November.
Kobe Bryant tore his in April 2013. He missed 19 games of the next season, starting playing in December. He played 6 games and then tore up the knee in the same leg as the Achilles. He missed the rest of the season, most of the next and was never the same player again.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 8:51 am to brmark70816
Yeah, shite happens, especially with this team. But the guy I was responding too said Cousins wouldn't even play before the ASB which is a very wrong estimate. Hopefully Gentry/Demps get fired and the people that replace them feel secure enough to bring Cousins back slowly.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 8:55 am to TigerinATL
They ran some of cousins best plays with mirotic last night, one of the pels guys has some side by side video on twitter. I still can't believe they blew a 30 pt lead but that was promising.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:03 am to cgrand
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I still can't believe they blew a 30 pt lead but that was promising.
It really is. Moore + Ajinca + Diallo + Jackson + Picks becomes a pretty nice set of assets to package for any team looking to change direction or dump a Klay Thompson to lower their tax bill. The Pels are either going to get better than anyone expected next year or they're going to hit the wall on the AD era.
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
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The Pels are either going to get better than anyone expected next year or they're going to hit the wall on the AD era
which has always been the case ever since the jrue trade and Evans S/T
to me I'd rather the reckoning come than this painful game of almost
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:16 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah, shite happens, especially with this team. But the guy I was responding too said Cousins wouldn't even play before the ASB which is a very wrong estimate.
I know what the estimate is, but set backs happen and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play until later in the season, maybe after the ASB. It is still an outlier type of injury and hits everybody differently. Either way, expecting much out of Cousins next year doesn't seem realistic.
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Hopefully Gentry/Demps get fired and the people that replace them feel secure enough to bring Cousins back slowly.
Amen to the first part. But I believe that any reasonable new staff will make the correct assessment and let Cousins walk. I know the feelings of people on here, but the overwhelming belief of people around the league is not to give Cousins the max. He will find a more desperate team to give him more money. Smart people will let him leave and take it.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:31 am to brmark70816
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But I believe that any reasonable new staff
You need to just quit this team now with your irrational hatred of Cal and Kentucky. Because if there is some sort of change, Cal is the likely choice on so many levels. And before you say they can't afford him, they had an operating income of $37 million this past year. As I've said many times before, that TV money completely changed the math for NBA teams. A year that would have probably been a loss in the Shinn era is very profitable today.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:37 am to brmark70816
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the overwhelming belief of people around the league is not to give Cousins the max.
no doubt
but the pels are the only team that burned two 1st round picks on him.
hes getting his contract and it's gonna be here
we may as well as fans accept that and calibrate our discussions around our 3-max core.
nobody is saying he will be the same player next year, it's doubtful to me that he will even be halfway back. Que sera
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:40 am to TigerinATL
and I'm ok with calipari if that's the outcome.
it's not like he doesn't know how to coach, and yes he has relationships with several on the roster most importantly AD. You structure caliparis deal to tie him to davis and hope for the best
he's always been the obvious choice and I really wish they'd have just gone ahead and done it already
it's not like he doesn't know how to coach, and yes he has relationships with several on the roster most importantly AD. You structure caliparis deal to tie him to davis and hope for the best
he's always been the obvious choice and I really wish they'd have just gone ahead and done it already
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 9:50 am
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:54 am to cgrand
Kentucky fans are freaking out because he lost 3 straight games...
there won't be a better time to get him than after this year
there won't be a better time to get him than after this year
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:59 am to cgrand
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we may as well as fans accept that and calibrate our discussions around our 3-max core
right. new coach, new gm; it doesn't matter. ownership will still expect playoffs
that they will hire someone to then blow it all up seems entirely unrealistic. whether that is reasonable or smart is an interesting discussion point, but one that won't matter
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