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Can Someone Explain the Long-Term Implications of Kawhi's Destination on the Pels?
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:50 am
I apologize in advance if this doesn't deserve its own topic but as far as I can tell, this is THE news story in the NBA right now.
I've seen a lot of talk in the Free Agent thread about how it would affect the league and the Pels' future draft picks if the LAL were able to pick together KL/AD/LJ, attract ring-chasers and young talent, etc.
My question is, given the age and injury history of AD and LeBron and the overall strength of the Clippers' roster and front office, might it actually benefit NOLA more if Leonard stayed away from the Clippers so that they aren't a direct threat to us when our roster matures in 4-8 years?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I haven't really followed the team intimately since the Chris Paul/David West years. Just seems to me like we're screwed either way unless Kawhi decides to stay in Toronto.
I've seen a lot of talk in the Free Agent thread about how it would affect the league and the Pels' future draft picks if the LAL were able to pick together KL/AD/LJ, attract ring-chasers and young talent, etc.
My question is, given the age and injury history of AD and LeBron and the overall strength of the Clippers' roster and front office, might it actually benefit NOLA more if Leonard stayed away from the Clippers so that they aren't a direct threat to us when our roster matures in 4-8 years?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I haven't really followed the team intimately since the Chris Paul/David West years. Just seems to me like we're screwed either way unless Kawhi decides to stay in Toronto.
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Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:51 am to chilge1
TOR>LAC>LAL
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:52 am to chilge1
Kawhi to Lakers means all those Pels picks from Lakers will be shitty
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:54 am to Ancient Astronaut
Get ready for a couple of 28-30 first rd selections over the next 5 years.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:54 am to chilge1
Main consideration is the value of laker picks that pels got and the swapable picks.
Just making pels better.
Just making pels better.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:55 am to Ancient Astronaut
if he goes to the lakers the pelicans picks they received from the lakers are shitty and the swaps are meaningless. We basically traded AD for ingram and ball.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:55 am to chilge1
Kawhi staying in TOR is better for Pelicans on the court.
Kawhi to LAC is better for the Pelicans draft pick wise because I think having Kawhi in LA hurts the Lakers more than him staying in TOR.
Kawhi to LAC is better for the Pelicans draft pick wise because I think having Kawhi in LA hurts the Lakers more than him staying in TOR.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:00 am to Ancient Astronaut
Appreciate the input guys.
I think the ultimate question I have is whether it's better for (1) the Pels to get shitty picks from the Lakers who, even with Kawhi, won't be a threat on the court in 5 years or to get great picks from the Lakers but have a strong challenger to a title in the form of the Clippers with Kawhi. Apologize if this is redundant.
I think the ultimate question I have is whether it's better for (1) the Pels to get shitty picks from the Lakers who, even with Kawhi, won't be a threat on the court in 5 years or to get great picks from the Lakers but have a strong challenger to a title in the form of the Clippers with Kawhi. Apologize if this is redundant.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:01 am to chilge1
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My question is, given the age and injury history of AD and LeBron and the overall strength of the Clippers' roster and front office, might it actually benefit NOLA more if Leonard stayed away from the Clippers so that they aren't a direct threat to us when our roster matures in 4-8 years?
No. The bigger benefit would be to have AD and an aging overpaid Lebron clogging the Lakers cap space when they owe us picks. AD and Kawhi leading the Lakers in Lebron's twilight provides a formidable obstacle to championship contention and devalues the picks owed to us.
Toronto is maybe the best spot, though if he signs a 1+1, maybe nto as he could still go to the Lakers later whereas if he joins the Clippers he probably stick there for a long time.
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who, even with Kawhi, won't be a threat on the court in 5 years
Why do you think a Kawhi/AD combo won't be a threat in 5 years, but a Kawhi/Shai combo will be?
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:02 am to chilge1
Bottom line is pelicans future assets get better if Lakers stink.
Lakers will be the GOAT big 3 if they get Kwahi.
Also AD is a bitch.
Lakers will be the GOAT big 3 if they get Kwahi.
Also AD is a bitch.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:03 am to chilge1
The Lakers are so incredibly fricked if Kawhi doesn't sign there. It makes me think he is getting back at them a bit for not dealing for him while he was in SA.
Like who would the Lakers sign if Kawhi doesn't go there? Boogie, Rondo, and the Morris twins? L O freakin L. And the FA market next year is super weak. With an aging LeBron, they could be royally screwed.
Best case for the Pels is he stays in Toronto. Clippers wouldn't be terrible as it takes them from a fringe playoff team to a contender. Lakers are worst case by far because they are in-conference competition and we hold so many of their future draft picks.
Like who would the Lakers sign if Kawhi doesn't go there? Boogie, Rondo, and the Morris twins? L O freakin L. And the FA market next year is super weak. With an aging LeBron, they could be royally screwed.
Best case for the Pels is he stays in Toronto. Clippers wouldn't be terrible as it takes them from a fringe playoff team to a contender. Lakers are worst case by far because they are in-conference competition and we hold so many of their future draft picks.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:03 am to chilge1
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the Pels to get shitty picks from the Lakers who, even with Kawhi, won't be a threat on the court in 5 years
They'll be more attractive to FAs in future years with KL on the team. It's not just the immediate of Kawhi going there, it's what it allows them to sell in the future. LBJ will be gone in a few years and the sell of playing with Kawhi + AD will be easier than just AD.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:07 am to NOFOX
Look how players are avoiding the Knicks like the plague. If the Lakers blow this FA, they could descend into Knicks territory. That's what most of us are hoping for anyway.
Who knows, it might be a rock bottom moment and they hire a competent GM, but with this cast of characters in charge I wouldn't bet on them trending towards competence.
Who knows, it might be a rock bottom moment and they hire a competent GM, but with this cast of characters in charge I wouldn't bet on them trending towards competence.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:07 am to NOFOX
Pels can delay the second unprotected pick I believe until 2025
With the double draft coming later picks can still be fairly valuable
With the double draft coming later picks can still be fairly valuable
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:15 am to chilge1
It's not a bad question. As mentioned, the best thing for the Pels is that Kawhi stays in the East with the Raptors. As to your point about the strength of the Clippers if Kawhi goes there, you are correct. The Pelicans are actually in better position to make the playoffs next year if Kawhi does not go to the Clippers. That said, if he goes to the Lakers, that means that regardless of what happens with LeBron the Lakers will have two of the leagues best players, likely for at least the next 4 years or so, and the picks we acquired will not be worth nearly as much because you assume that they will finish at or near the top of the league. Also, not that I'm wishing this on them, but with just AD and LeBron I full expect one of them to miss time this year. Having a third superstar mitigates the damage that would cause to the Laker's season.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:19 am to LosLobos111
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Pels can delay the second unprotected pick I believe until 2025
With the double draft coming later picks can still be fairly valuable
Double draft is 2022. AD and Kawhi will be 29 and 31 going into that season.
A Kawhi/AD pairing as Lebron transitions into retirement gievs them a foundation. It gives them stars and makes them a destination again. The 2025 pick may be fine regardless, but Kawhi choosing the Lakers does not help us in any way.
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:20 am to NOFOX
not to mention that kawhi solves all of the team-building issues around davis. he's the perfect fit
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
Lakers shoved all in on a flush draw.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:22 am to NOFOX
Oh I agree but I'm not that doom and gloom about it if in fact it does happen.
I have confidence in Griff/Langdon to turn whatever they get into something positive.
I have confidence in Griff/Langdon to turn whatever they get into something positive.
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