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Bird Writes with a swell article on realistic salary dumps to "target"
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:44 pm
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I think that it makes more sense to focus on salary dumps from teams that are looking to avoid the tax/free up max cap space than outright go after FAs. The options that they list are all semi-realistic, IMO, though I think that some of the return draft picks are a little overly-hopeful. All for short term contracts.
My favorite options are (in no order)
1) Ibaka/1st: We'd be giving up nothing. Ibaka fits in well for what we want to do. Poor 3p%, but he shot 49% midrange during the season. Spacing doesn't HAVE to be via 3pt shots. TBW think that we could get a 1st with him, but I think that that is optimistic. He would eat into most of our cap space ($23m), but is only under contract for one season and is a really good fit. Can run and defend.
2) Joe Harris: They have us giving up 2 seconds for him. Retarded good 3pt shooter. I don't really care about giving up seconds, he only makes $7.6m this season. He's only 27. My biggest problem with him is that he'll pick up more poon than Smiht did, so good luck getting laid at Lucy's. My second biggest problem with him is that he's a dogshit defender. But if he's out there with, say, Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion, then you can afford a shitty defender and hide him on the worst offensive 1-3. That would be a pretty reasonable finishing 5, with Ingram playing the "4" (he has the length and talent).
3) Gallo + 1st: Giving up nothing. You know who Gallo is. He makes $23m over one season. 43% on 5.5 3pt attempts. Not as bad of a defender as most would assume. Obviously doesn't have the speed to stay in front of talented 3s/4s, but Gallo defending as a small ball 5 (with Zion staying in front of opposing elite 3s/4s) isn't the end of the world with the offensive advantages. We'd be a shite rebounding team, but still good defensively. Problem is we're helping a Western opponent free up space for a Kawhi type (though Kawhi is apparently likely to re-sign with the communists in the north). He is unlikely to re-sign, I think.
I'm meh on most of their other options. And my favorite option of the 3 listed probably depends on whether they'd actually give up the 1st rounder that TBW assumes that they will.
I think that it makes more sense to focus on salary dumps from teams that are looking to avoid the tax/free up max cap space than outright go after FAs. The options that they list are all semi-realistic, IMO, though I think that some of the return draft picks are a little overly-hopeful. All for short term contracts.
My favorite options are (in no order)
1) Ibaka/1st: We'd be giving up nothing. Ibaka fits in well for what we want to do. Poor 3p%, but he shot 49% midrange during the season. Spacing doesn't HAVE to be via 3pt shots. TBW think that we could get a 1st with him, but I think that that is optimistic. He would eat into most of our cap space ($23m), but is only under contract for one season and is a really good fit. Can run and defend.
2) Joe Harris: They have us giving up 2 seconds for him. Retarded good 3pt shooter. I don't really care about giving up seconds, he only makes $7.6m this season. He's only 27. My biggest problem with him is that he'll pick up more poon than Smiht did, so good luck getting laid at Lucy's. My second biggest problem with him is that he's a dogshit defender. But if he's out there with, say, Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion, then you can afford a shitty defender and hide him on the worst offensive 1-3. That would be a pretty reasonable finishing 5, with Ingram playing the "4" (he has the length and talent).
3) Gallo + 1st: Giving up nothing. You know who Gallo is. He makes $23m over one season. 43% on 5.5 3pt attempts. Not as bad of a defender as most would assume. Obviously doesn't have the speed to stay in front of talented 3s/4s, but Gallo defending as a small ball 5 (with Zion staying in front of opposing elite 3s/4s) isn't the end of the world with the offensive advantages. We'd be a shite rebounding team, but still good defensively. Problem is we're helping a Western opponent free up space for a Kawhi type (though Kawhi is apparently likely to re-sign with the communists in the north). He is unlikely to re-sign, I think.
I'm meh on most of their other options. And my favorite option of the 3 listed probably depends on whether they'd actually give up the 1st rounder that TBW assumes that they will.
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:10 pm to TigerBlazer
Take it up with Canada, bro. Don't blame their politics on me. Please.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:15 pm to THRILLHO
Dude, you can look at my name and see that I have no fondness for the political left, but we really don't need political trolling on this board. We have a board for that.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:18 pm to THRILLHO
I’d grab gallo given those options with the caveat that there is no way PHX is including bridges in a salary dump. They’d get pilloried and rightly so
if they are that incompetent (hi walrus) then you take that deal and run for the hills before the league steps in and puts sarver in time out
if they are that incompetent (hi walrus) then you take that deal and run for the hills before the league steps in and puts sarver in time out
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:25 pm to cgrand
Well, they did give up a draft pick to dump a guy that alot of teams probably wouldve given them a pick for
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:27 pm to THRILLHO
I’ll take the Gallo deal especially if they don’t sign a big FA. Not sure they’d be a playoff team next year if they don’t. We could be the team that takes their place. Draft a shooter w their pick to replace him when he comes off the books. Even if they do sign a big FA we may still be able to find a shooter w two picks in the 1st.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:27 pm to cgrand
I didn't hate that trade, but I'm mostly looking to get effective vets immediately with some potential future assets. The PHX deal does one of those two things.
I know that Bridges has potential, but we have a frickload of young players with potential. I'd prefer to take on an overpriced proven asset with a future asset, even if that future asset has lower potential than a Bridges type.
I know that Bridges has potential, but we have a frickload of young players with potential. I'd prefer to take on an overpriced proven asset with a future asset, even if that future asset has lower potential than a Bridges type.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:30 pm to Soggymoss
I consider the troika of owner Bob Sarver, GM James Jones, and Assistant GM Jeff Bower to be the Three Stooges.
Possibly unfair in Jones' case, but Bower has not shown much aptitude for his job in three stops now and Sarver has been a cheap fricker for a long time, selling off picks left and right since the Steve Nash years.
Should they send out Bridges as part of a salary dump? No. Will they? Given that it is a Sarver team, the odds are better than you would think.
Possibly unfair in Jones' case, but Bower has not shown much aptitude for his job in three stops now and Sarver has been a cheap fricker for a long time, selling off picks left and right since the Steve Nash years.
Should they send out Bridges as part of a salary dump? No. Will they? Given that it is a Sarver team, the odds are better than you would think.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:33 pm to THRILLHO
bridges is gonna be good, I’d take the chance on him.
PHI got hosed in that deal last year
PHI got hosed in that deal last year
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:33 pm to WhySoSerious
Gallo is my preferred trade of the three at this point since he meets the criteria for a veteran presence and for outside shooting to open things up for Zion et all.
In theory we would be helping the Clippers build a contender with Kawhi, but balance that by the reality that we would be building a contender *in the same building* as AD and LeBron.
If you want a good way to help sow dissention in the Laker locker room, watching Kawhi walk in and take an 8th seed team to the next level is a good way to do it.
In theory we would be helping the Clippers build a contender with Kawhi, but balance that by the reality that we would be building a contender *in the same building* as AD and LeBron.
If you want a good way to help sow dissention in the Laker locker room, watching Kawhi walk in and take an 8th seed team to the next level is a good way to do it.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:34 pm to teke184
a side benefit no doubt
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:36 pm to teke184
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If you want a good way to help sow dissention in the Laker locker room, watching Kawhi walk in and take an 8th seed team to the next level is a good way to do it.
That's a point that I (and probably few others) have thought about. Do we help turn the Clippers into a potential dynasty if it guarantees that the Lakers turn to shite?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:36 pm to cgrand
Isn't bridges a better prospect than the top wings in this years draft(minus probably Barret?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:40 pm to teke184
Agree with everything you said. After looking at the deals, I like Charlottes deal too. Marvin Williams could help shooting, their pick has a good chance of being lottery since I don’t see them pairing anyone with Kemba (if he resigns) & we don’t really give up anything. I’d probably prioritize a higher pick & lesser vet (CHA - Williams) over a lower pick & better vet (LAC - Gallo) because honestly we’re not winning a ring & we’re not resigning the vet.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:46 pm to THRILLHO
quote:
That's a point that I (and probably few others) have thought about. Do we help turn the Clippers into a potential dynasty if it guarantees that the Lakers turn to shite?
Turning the Lakers to shite directly benefits us by way of pick swaps and future firsts, so I'm willing to consider it.
As far as a Clipper dynasty goes, I'm not sure if they completely pull it off.
Kawhi would obviously be a long term piece for them but the other rumor I'm hearing is that Al Horford would be brought in to play alongside him.
Horford's good but a 4 year huge money deal has the potential to go sour for them in a hurry.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:48 pm to WhySoSerious
I could live with the Charlotte deal but that team has "treadmill" written all over it.
They're going to ride Kemba until he dies, at which point the team will go back into the depths of the lottery until they get one pick correct again.
They're going to ride Kemba until he dies, at which point the team will go back into the depths of the lottery until they get one pick correct again.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:49 pm to THRILLHO
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Do we help turn the Clippers into a potential dynasty if it guarantees that the Lakers turn to shite?
Kawhi turns 28 on Saturday. I've got to think that he's got two or three more seasons before he's peaked and starts to become less effective. His window will start to shrink right as Zion's is opening up.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:02 pm to LosLobos111
probably so
he’s really good and has a ton of room to develop
he’s really good and has a ton of room to develop
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:23 pm to THRILLHO
I doubt they’d give us a 1st with Ibaka. Highly unlikely
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