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Are we feeling like Griffin is a bit more vindicated for the trade of Pick 4 now?
Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:35 pm
Jax and NAW especially have been very encouraging lately.
Not to mention what Didi could have to offer
Not to mention what Didi could have to offer
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 11:36 pm
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Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:39 pm to Pelefraan 1
Jury is still out but obviously the last 3 or so games for both NAW and Jaxson have looked really solid.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:52 pm to Pelefraan 1
Jaxon gets a lot of criticism on this board but he's only 20 years old and at least showing progress now. Future is bright.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:59 pm to Pelefraan 1
Didi ain't coming son.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 12:04 am to LouisianaJoseph
I'm not too fussed on what Didi is or isn't
A bit of cream if he's any good
A bit of cream if he's any good
Posted on 1/18/21 at 12:26 am to Pelefraan 1
Still think most of these young players will be sent in a trade at some point
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:46 am to Pelefraan 1
i know Adams is kind of a polarizing figure but adding him to a roster with Hayes makes Hayes a bad pick
yeah he may take a while to figure it out but we're going to have to offer him that 2nd contract seemingly while Adams will still be starting (and his salary will be on our books)
and Adams is iron man and doesn't miss many games
glad to see Hayes playing better though
yeah he may take a while to figure it out but we're going to have to offer him that 2nd contract seemingly while Adams will still be starting (and his salary will be on our books)
and Adams is iron man and doesn't miss many games
glad to see Hayes playing better though
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Kind of disagree with this reasoning. You try and get the best players you can. If Jax develops into a good player then you’re in a good spot and you can always move Adams.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:21 am to Pelefraan 1
Jax seems to be developing a semblance of a jumpshot, and he's shown it off the last 2 games. That could open up alot on offense when he's on the floor with Zion
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:32 am to Fun Bunch
Adams will be easy as frick to trade at only $17 mil. That said I do not want to trade him.
With Hayes trending right, you have to assume a bit of that is because of Adams, and it isn't like he is ready to take the reigns now. He's in a good spot as our top backup big, if he can keep up this trend.
Then down the line next year you see how things go. That's so far away that you don't consider anything with it now. I still don't believe you do that next year though as you need legit depth at that spot (see most of the early games this year). Iirc Hayes wouldn't be up for a potential big payday until Adams' last year or the year after.
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Yeah just double checked and this talk of needing to give Hayes his second contract with Adams still here is nonsense. We still have a club option at a low price of $6 mil on Adams' last year.
So we can easily ride with them into Adams' last year and then determine if it'd be best to flip Adams at the deadline or if we need him for a run. And that gives us PLENTY of time to see how Hayes develops.
Just as people were overreacting about him playing poorly after a few games (+ last year), I think talk about him and Adams, or vindication, is a bit premature after only a few games.
With Hayes trending right, you have to assume a bit of that is because of Adams, and it isn't like he is ready to take the reigns now. He's in a good spot as our top backup big, if he can keep up this trend.
Then down the line next year you see how things go. That's so far away that you don't consider anything with it now. I still don't believe you do that next year though as you need legit depth at that spot (see most of the early games this year). Iirc Hayes wouldn't be up for a potential big payday until Adams' last year or the year after.
Edit:
Yeah just double checked and this talk of needing to give Hayes his second contract with Adams still here is nonsense. We still have a club option at a low price of $6 mil on Adams' last year.
So we can easily ride with them into Adams' last year and then determine if it'd be best to flip Adams at the deadline or if we need him for a run. And that gives us PLENTY of time to see how Hayes develops.
Just as people were overreacting about him playing poorly after a few games (+ last year), I think talk about him and Adams, or vindication, is a bit premature after only a few games.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:44 am to Pelefraan 1
The amount of attention didi gets from this board is ridiculous rofl.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:47 am to Pelefraan 1
Jaxson's first 6 games this season vs. the last 6 have been night and day. The first 6 it seemed like he was losing every contested rebound he went for. His picks were more like he was running a route as a WR. Then he started standing his ground when setting picks. The contested balls he was getting his hands on, he started keeping. I even see him boxing out guys pretty well which I never remember noticing before.
I think Adams probably deserves some of the credit in Jaxson's turn around. Adams is also good enough that if Jaxson is ready to start, you should be able to get that 1st back that you traded to get him from OKC.
I know some people have also felt keeping Bledsoe over Hill was a mistake, and maybe in terms of team building for this year it is. But Bledsoe is an attacking defensive PG from Alabama, just like the 19 year old kid we just drafted. Griff is absolutely trying to have his cake and eat it too. A playoff team that also develops it's rookies. But if you wanted guys that can play on a playoff team AND mentor your top 2 picks the last 2 years, Adams and Bledsoe are perfect for those roles.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say Griff is vindicated, but everyone that was writing off all the draft picks in the Griff era as busts just a week and a half ago were clearly premature. We're just going to have to reserve judgement for now. If I had to bet Kira is the only one that's here long term. But NAW and Jaxson's trade value is clearly better today than it was 2 weeks ago.
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i know Adams is kind of a polarizing figure but adding him to a roster with Hayes makes Hayes a bad pick
I think Adams probably deserves some of the credit in Jaxson's turn around. Adams is also good enough that if Jaxson is ready to start, you should be able to get that 1st back that you traded to get him from OKC.
I know some people have also felt keeping Bledsoe over Hill was a mistake, and maybe in terms of team building for this year it is. But Bledsoe is an attacking defensive PG from Alabama, just like the 19 year old kid we just drafted. Griff is absolutely trying to have his cake and eat it too. A playoff team that also develops it's rookies. But if you wanted guys that can play on a playoff team AND mentor your top 2 picks the last 2 years, Adams and Bledsoe are perfect for those roles.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say Griff is vindicated, but everyone that was writing off all the draft picks in the Griff era as busts just a week and a half ago were clearly premature. We're just going to have to reserve judgement for now. If I had to bet Kira is the only one that's here long term. But NAW and Jaxson's trade value is clearly better today than it was 2 weeks ago.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:56 am to Pelefraan 1
Both have been great, but something I liked from Hayes last night was his confidence when he shot that little jumper from the FT line. He has a nice stroke. If he can be consistent from that range and expand upon it... he will be a very dangerous big man in the NBA
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:03 am to bonethug0180
quote:Will he? He may be tradable but not sure how easy it will be. Certainly much easier than at $27 million, but $17 million makes him the 8th highest paid center in the NBA and somewhere around 3rd-4th of centers than cannot stretch the floor (i.e. "old school centers").
Adams will be easy as frick to trade at only $17 mil.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:13 am to NOSHAU
We are talking in two years not now.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:14 am to bonethug0180
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With Hayes trending right, you have to assume a bit of that is because of Adams, and it isn't like he is ready to take the reigns now. He's in a good spot as our top backup big, if he can keep up this trend.
I agree. I'd like another year with Adams, then look to move him.... maybe.
You didn't see this kind of aggression and hustle from Jaxson last year like you have these last few games. I can't help but think that's Adams doing. When he had Favors, he played lazy. Now he has Adams, and he's an animal.
Something we have been missing for many years is the young hustle, since we never make draft picks. I can't stand playing teams where the backups come in and maintain or take the lead simply by outhustling our lackadaisical guys. We've lacked the guys that needed to go out there and prove themselves b/c they were already established players. TJ McConnel forced a few turnovers by hustling more than our established veteran. Schroeder did the same thing to NAW, who's not a PG.
NAW is a SG. He's the perfect kind of SG for us b/c he's capable of getting his own shot off, but he's not a PG.
Kira needs to start with NAW and BI, and Bledsoe needs to come off the bench and be lead ball handler and scorer off the bench. I think he can thrive in the 6th man role as our scorer. He can average 16-18 a game easily if he's matching up with backups mostly.
We need to send Bonzo out for a stretch big that can actually make his 3's, then we'll be sitting pretty roster wise.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:41 am to Pelefraan 1
Now that Jaxson and NAW are playing better, I'm going to say exactly what I said in the similar thread we had when they were playing poorly (or not at all):
They were good picks inasmuch as they were logical at the time, but judging a front office by its draft picks is dumb, because the draft is such a crapshoot, and there's often no way to know how picks will turn out. So much of it is luck.
The best way to judge Griffin is by the AD and Jrue trades, and this year, by what he does with Lonzo/Hart/JJ at the trade deadline and in the offseason.
They were good picks inasmuch as they were logical at the time, but judging a front office by its draft picks is dumb, because the draft is such a crapshoot, and there's often no way to know how picks will turn out. So much of it is luck.
The best way to judge Griffin is by the AD and Jrue trades, and this year, by what he does with Lonzo/Hart/JJ at the trade deadline and in the offseason.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
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You try and get the best players you can. If Jax develops into a good player then you’re in a good spot and you can always move Adams.
the issue is that by trading down, we're trying to get a dime and a nickel to equal a quarter (in terms of value/talent)
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:28 am to bonethug0180
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We still have a club option at a low price of $6 mil on Adams' last year.
the problem is that having good players on rookie contracts play well is major +EV and you lose a lot of that +EV by not having them play, only to get that cap-crushing deal. it just makes the value of the pick much less.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
That trade also dumped Solomon Hill which allowed us to sign someone like JJ.
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