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re: Anthony Davis and the Last Shot
Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:32 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:32 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Cousins is 4th (89.5) and AD is 37th (67.3) in touches per game. As good as Boogie is, it seems wild for him to be so high as a non-point guard with a top-10 NBA player right beside him.
(Last year, Cousins averaged 79.4 and Davis averaged 74.0)
(Last year, Cousins averaged 79.4 and Davis averaged 74.0)
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Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:33 am to Crewz
they ran that play v Chicago. albeit, with Holiday on the ball. he missed the shot and people still bitched.
most of this is results based. the play call was boring, unimaginative, strange and then executed poorly. but if Holiday hits the shot, the reaction likely changes.
Pels shot 47% and 44% with 15 3PM and still lost. they had an ORating of only 103 with those splits.
they had 20 TO to Denver's 15 and were outscored 32-14 in points off TO. that end of regulation play was a disaster, but it should never have gotten to that point.
if we want to condemn the coaching, let's make the case that the ball movement idea can be a problem for this team. when it works, it's great. but they are often sloppy and it can cost them big time.
most of this is results based. the play call was boring, unimaginative, strange and then executed poorly. but if Holiday hits the shot, the reaction likely changes.
Pels shot 47% and 44% with 15 3PM and still lost. they had an ORating of only 103 with those splits.
they had 20 TO to Denver's 15 and were outscored 32-14 in points off TO. that end of regulation play was a disaster, but it should never have gotten to that point.
if we want to condemn the coaching, let's make the case that the ball movement idea can be a problem for this team. when it works, it's great. but they are often sloppy and it can cost them big time.
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/16/17 at 11:05 am to corndeaux
Also, why did it take us so long to get up in Lyles shite in the 4th? He kept them in the game.
You should treat him like Peja and stay chest to chest. If he wants to put the ball on the floor and create - awesome. They finally adjusted but after he already had 11 in the 4th and kept them in it
There are dozens of things we can.point to. One play out of 200+ does not a game make
You should treat him like Peja and stay chest to chest. If he wants to put the ball on the floor and create - awesome. They finally adjusted but after he already had 11 in the 4th and kept them in it
There are dozens of things we can.point to. One play out of 200+ does not a game make
Posted on 12/16/17 at 11:09 am to corndeaux
I still think it's insane that we don't get the ball to our best player to win the game. Good or bad, the ball needs to get to Davis especially with that much time on the clock. I get the idea that a guard will be better equip to for these type of scenarios as they have more options at the top of the key and have an easier time creating space, but at the end of the day, we need to ride Davis.. good or bad. This is something that we don't do nearly enough.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 11:28 am to supe12sta12z
yeah. i think that's a fair point, even if there are some questions about Davis in ISO. i trust him much more than Holiday.
to be honest, if they want to avoid TO there, they should just run the old Dirk play with that much time on the clock. Davis middle of the court around the foul line with shooters around him and live/die with what he can get.
to be honest, if they want to avoid TO there, they should just run the old Dirk play with that much time on the clock. Davis middle of the court around the foul line with shooters around him and live/die with what he can get.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 11:50 am to supe12sta12z
Yes, get him the ball. But in the ways he succeeds. And that's NOT as a creator. Let someone create for him to finish around the rim or on a jumper. Or do what they did with Tyreke -- attack the basket hard and have him clean up the miss if there is one
Posted on 12/16/17 at 11:59 am to Crewz
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You put the ball in Rondo's hands
definitely that
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:02 pm to Crewz
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One play out of 200+ does not a game make
So true, but some are more memorable.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:47 pm to Crewz
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NOBODY and I mean nobody thinks Gentry is a good coach.
My lone point is that if you guys think that changing the coach will magically make these players change their terrible habits, you will be disappointed
Like I’ve said Gentry to me is a button dweller in the “‘middle of the pack tier. My problem with Gentry lies in the fact fhat there are moments where he’s negatively impacting the outcome of the game where his decisions actually matter.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:52 pm to corndeaux
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yeah. i think that's a fair point, even if there are some questions about Davis in ISO. i trust him much more than Holiday
It’s ridiculous we’re 6 years in and still have no idea what our transcendent Star player is capable of in crunch time. Even his miracle double clutch in OKC was a busted play where AD just bailed the Pels out.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:58 am to ShamelessPel
i would guess they believe they have a good read on Davis's ability to get off a final shot. they aren't trying to lose games and will do what they think will help them win. so they must think he is not a good option there, which isnt necessarily dumb
now, i do think it's strange to say that they want Holiday operating off ball and attacking after ball/man movement, but then toss him the ball in a static situation and say "get us a good shot." they clearly know that's not his strength (even as his shot has come around), yet put him in a bad spot.
THAT is bad coaching to me
now, i do think it's strange to say that they want Holiday operating off ball and attacking after ball/man movement, but then toss him the ball in a static situation and say "get us a good shot." they clearly know that's not his strength (even as his shot has come around), yet put him in a bad spot.
THAT is bad coaching to me
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:35 am to TeddyPadillac
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You think AD cant create a cpntested jumpshot?
That’s about the extent of AD’s “iso game”. Like you said, low percentage shot and almost no chance of getting fouled. I remember AD iso vs GS in the playoffs, it was A mess. That’s just not his game. If that’s our only option, I’d rather jrue try and get to the hoop, which he’s been doing pretty regularly with success lately
like MM suggests, get rondo in there, he will create a open look for someone. He’s only been doing it forever
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:38 pm to Crewz
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:35 pm to oVo
Yeah, that's a great shot that's gonna go in far more often than not
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:35 am to Crewz
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Yeah, that's a great shot that's gonna go in far more often than not
AD did maintain a pretty nice form for such a difficult adjustment. Oddly enough, all 4 of the other guys on the court play for different teams now.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:36 pm to GynoSandberg
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That’s about the extent of AD’s “iso game”. Like you said, low percentage shot and almost no chance of getting fouled. I remember AD iso vs GS in the playoffs, it was A mess. That’s just not his game. If that’s our only option, I’d rather jrue try and get to the hoop, which he’s been doing pretty regularly with success lately
You mean the iso where Draymond hacked the frick out of his arms to steal the ball, no call?
Jrue has proven time and time again that he cannot handle late game situations. I'd have no problem with running a play for AD and having Rondo make a decision, but more often than not, plays go to shite, and the guy with the ball is left to make something happen.
Just get AD the ball around the elbow and get everyone away from him. AD can easily shoot a fade away from the elbow, without a dribble, or off 1 dribble. I'd rather that shot over pretty much any other created shot from anyone else on the team. If they double him, which should happen while he still has not dribbled the ball, then you have to trust that he can make the right decision to either shoot over the double team, or find a wide open teammate for the game winner. Regardless, I can accept a loss when the reason was our superstar just didn't make the shot, or the play. What I can't accept is when he doesn't even touch the ball.
Simple clear out for Dirk game winner
You ever heard a fan say this, "why is kobe taking the last shot, a contested fade away", or "dammit Dirk, quit shooting contested fade away moon balls from 20 feet out for the last shot" or "shite Michael, i'd rather Paxson shoot a wide open 3 then you take a contested fade away" You know damn well if Kerr or Paxson don't make those shots, the next day everyone says, "why did you give the ball up Michael".
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:37 pm to ShamelessPel
Partly on the coaching staff.
Partly on AD and Cousins.
Both of them should be demanding the damn ball.
Partly on AD and Cousins.
Both of them should be demanding the damn ball.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:17 pm to ShamelessPel
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For the love of god, when is AD going to step up and say “give me the damn ball coach, I got us”. These constant game winning possessions going to Holiday nearly 100% of the time are a joke. Note: I can’t even say shots because half the time we don’t even get the ball up.
Reke used to love him some pressure and the last second drive didnt he!
But the game were AD hit the 3 at the buzzer to win was awesome.
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