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re: Abolish the draft and let rookies choose their own team
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:27 pm to Philippines4LSU
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:27 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:Unless, you added no max contracts and a hard cap.
They’d have to abolish the salary cap and any limits on how much you could pay a player for this to even work in theory. Even then, all you’ve done is replicated Major League Baseball.
The Yankees and Dodgers (Knicks, Nets, Lakers and Clippers) would just outbid everyone else for the top talent.
Smaller markets would essentially become farm systems for the large market teams.
Guys would go to small markets as rookies and develop for several years. Then when they’re good enough to compete, they’d all sign with the big market teams for more than we (or most teams) would be able to pay them.
If you wanted to make the NBA totally uninteresting for 80%+ of the current audience, this would be a good way to do it.
Then it would be a free for all for everyone, and the bigger markets wouldn't necessarily have the advantage.
For the same amount of money in a contract, the bigger cities will always have THAT advantage, can't really avoid that. But doing no draft coupled with no max deals and a hard cap...if the biggest stars are playing in the big city for an ungodly amount of money, then the big markets can't afford to pay top dollar for a rookie.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:27 pm to Tiger Prawn
I don't like it, as it would be too much of an overhaul from the current system. But, I think most of the people suggesting that top products would go to top markets every year are missing the part that there would still be a salary cap, and I would assume that the rookie scale would either increase, or be scratched completely.
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Imagine a system in which incoming rookies enjoyed the power to choose -- say unrestricted free agency. Critics contend that such a setup would concentrate the best young rookies on established and/or sexier franchises. But in a restrictive salary-cap system, a capped-out team doesn't have the resources to offer Williamson what he'd command in free agency. The Warriors would be every bit as hamstrung in pursuit of Williamson, Ja Morant or any o
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With NBA teams holding nearly equal spending power and operating under the same rules in the current cap structure, those who employ stars earning big salaries will have only so many resources with which to outbid teams that don't for the services of the most talented rookies. Only one of the eight conference semifinals teams (Philadelphia) would have any meaningful cap space to outbid the have-nots, and if rookie free agency occurred after veteran free agency, the Sixers could do so only by moving on from one of their veteran free-agent stars.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:32 pm to Tiger Prawn
It seems most people here realize that if you abolish the draft you make the league even more large market dominated than it already is (and it's already way too damn large market dominated). No rational fan outside of the top six or so markets wants that.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:37 pm to Unknown_Poster
quote:Not necessarily, depends on what other changes are made.
It seems most people here realize that if you abolish the draft you make the league even more large market dominated than it already is
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:51 pm to GonadBallbarion
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So how the hell do they figure out the draft order? We decide which the most talented are and that's the order they pick their teams?????? So Zion decides first then jas turn?
No, the guy who wrote that article is basically saying to abolish the draft completely and to treat all of the incoming rookies as free agents.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:40 pm to shel311
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No draft, hard cap, no max contracts
Support 1000%. If a team wants to tie up 80% of their salary in 2 players so be it.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:47 pm to lionward2014
quote:Word
Support 1000%. If a team wants to tie up 80% of their salary in 2 players so be it.
In fairness, I don't support a change, I love the NBA as is and wouldn't want some drastic change.
But i do think the no draft/no max/hard cap would be really interesting. I wish 2K allowed me to customize and do a franchise that way.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:58 pm to Not Cooper
quote:The key difference you aren't acknowledging is the way baseball and basketball are very different.
I don't like this proposal but this is a pretty dumb argument against it. The Dodgers have been good lately But the 2 NY teams and 2 LA teams have combined for 3 titles this century in a total of 7 appearances.
The Astros, Cubs, Red Sox, Royals, Giants, and Cardinals have all won since the last time one of the 4 NY/LA teams won.
15 man rosters to 40. There is a LOT more required upon even a big market team to win titles. Even if the Yankees or LA or whomever trotted out the best 9 players...they aren't guaranteed to win a title because a team just needs to have a great pitching staff and bullpen to neutralize it.
There is no such equivalent to a 5 on 5 game like baseball where just two sniper elite players can change the entire scope of franchise.
Only similar equivalent is football and only because of how unbelievably difficult it is to be a quarterback, so being elite there makes so much better for the team.
And even en elite QB doesn't guarantee victory if the other 11 guys on defense can't hack it.
You could literally have a team with the starting lineup for one of the All-Star teams next year suit up and hope of beating them in a 7 game series is minimal unless you match them and get lucky with injuries.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:58 pm to Tiger Prawn
These sportswriters really that butthurt the Knicks didn’t end up with the #1 pick?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:58 pm to shel311
I find it ironic that US sports fans don't support an open market system like European soccer. I understand some of the differences in structure, but it would make pro sports a lot more fun.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 5:28 pm to lionward2014
This thread is one big whiff. He isn't pro-big market, Arnovitz is pro-player. The draft is goofy fun, but it sort of sucks as a concept. It rewards losers. Seems like a dumb handout to me.
And I agree with you on soccer. I'd much rather see there be no cap like in Euro soccer. If these guys want to spend like a sheik, have at it. They're almost all billionaires as it is already. You cant't or don't want to spend to compete, tough luck, you're a minnow
Not sure why we need to level the playing field for professional sports owners
And I agree with you on soccer. I'd much rather see there be no cap like in Euro soccer. If these guys want to spend like a sheik, have at it. They're almost all billionaires as it is already. You cant't or don't want to spend to compete, tough luck, you're a minnow
Not sure why we need to level the playing field for professional sports owners
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:13 pm to Eman5805
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You could literally have a team with the starting lineup for one of the All-Star teams next year suit up and hope of beating them in a 7 game series is minimal unless you match them and get lucky with injuries
Have you been under a rock the last 3 years?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:23 pm to Tiger Prawn
Read that this morning. Cant believe I read that whole article, I was pissed off the entire time bc of how stupid it is. You'd take away any chance of most all of the small market teams winnning. His justification of it was horrible.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:54 pm to Tiger Prawn
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In one of his more candid moments this past season, NBA commissioner Adam Silver confessed that he was concerned about the mental health of NBA players. "A lot of players are unhappy," Silver told Bill Simmons at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, attributing much of the anxiety to social media. There are any number of environmental or chemical factors present in "unhappiness" -- social media is certainly one, mental health conditions that go undiagnosed and untreated are likely another. One less obvious feature present in the lives of young NBA players is that the vast majority of them are playing in cities, for bosses, with co-workers and on behalf of brands they had zero influence in choosing.
Must be tough to make millions to play sports
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:15 pm to corndeaux
quote:Then the NBA, NHL and MLB all might as well contract to about half their current size because small market teams won’t be able to survive. Fans of small market teams quit going to games or buying merchandise eventually when their team is a perennial bottom feeder because they have no opportunity for some sort of competitive balance against big market teams.
And I agree with you on soccer. I'd much rather see there be no cap like in Euro soccer. If these guys want to spend like a sheik, have at it. They're almost all billionaires as it is already. You cant't or don't want to spend to compete, tough luck, you're a minnow
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:29 pm to lionward2014
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I find it ironic that US sports fans don't support an open market system like European soccer. I understand some of the differences in structure, but it would make pro sports a lot more fun.
It would also make a New Orleans based team little more than enhancement talent to larger markets. Now do you understand?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:29 pm to Tiger Prawn
The onyl reason any small market team has been good is because they have been able to draft a good core
Does this article want to do away with trades?
Why keep a salary cap? if teams have more money why not let them pay more for players?
Does this article want to do away with trades?
Why keep a salary cap? if teams have more money why not let them pay more for players?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 6:25 am to Tiger Prawn
Why do I care if a billionaire can't make money because he/she has a shitty, uninteresting product that doesn't engage fans?
What type of fan are you if you only cheer for your team when it can win a title?
What type of fan are you if you only cheer for your team when it can win a title?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:58 am to corndeaux
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This thread is one big whiff. He isn't pro-big market, Arnovitz is pro-player
People were so quick to start whining that they completely missed this pretty big detail. Arnovitz straight up proposes a restrictive cap to protect against what made these poor Pels fans cry in this thread.
I really like this point Arnovitz made:
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In a league where the product is the talent, why do employers get to interview the potential employees, but not the other way around? As Williamson embarks on building a global brand for himself over a career whose prime will come and go in about a dozen years, he might even have certain standards about what kind of person or businessman an NBA owner should be. Why is disqualification a one-way street, whereby no team has to employ a player whose character it finds questionable, but no incoming rookie has the right to dismiss an owner he and his family might think is sketchy?
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What type of fan are you if you only cheer for your team when it can win a title?
This. The most loyal, die-hard fans in sports are college and soccer fans who root for teams that never win.
This post was edited on 6/19/19 at 6:34 pm
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