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BetOnIt
Member since Feb 2019
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14, 18, and 21
I am not much of a draft historian, so looking for a little help here. I just keep thinking about the Celtics offer and they are going to have all these draft picks to give us but we already have our own first and second plus Denver's second. I don't want 6 rookies on this team.

So it got me to thinking - What if the Celtics took all their picks and moved up for one pick? How high could they get? Or some combination of 2 of their picks and one of ours, etc.

I did some quick searching and I found a few draft trades:

Blazers traded #15 and 20 for #10 in 2017

Kings trade #13, #28, and the rights to Bogdanovic to move up to #8

The most picks I could find traded up was when the Rockets traded 13, 18, and 23 for #7 and took some guy called Eddie Griffin

So, it looks like it is hard to crack that top 5, no matter how many middle picks you have. Is that correct? Is there like a draft value chart like there is in the NFL I can look at? What do you guys think is the highest we can get with the Celtics picks? Or how about if we get #9 and package it with like 14 and 18? Could we get in the top 3? Top 5?

And would we want to do that? Looking at that Eddie Griffin trade, I don't even know who that guy is but the Nets got Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins with two of the picks they got back. Should we just take a bunch of guys and see who sticks or trade up and try to get two top-10 picks instead?


BallHawk
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2011
3312 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I actually had been thinking about that but not in the way you are mentioning.

I was thinking, what if we trade the Sacto pick, Solo, and something else for another real piece and keep their pick and ours? I don't know who we can get but yeah 6 rookies on the team (unless we draft-and-stash some) is way too much


Spelt it rong
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Louisissippi
Member since Oct 2012
4775 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
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The most picks I could find traded up was when the Rockets traded 13, 18, and 23 for #7 and took some guy called Eddie Griffin

Tells you all you need to know about the NBA Draft outside of the top 3 picks most years.


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BetOnIt
Member since Feb 2019
91 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
So like: Solomon Hill, #14, E Moore for Andre Drummond? Or Mike Conley? Someone like that to put next to Jrue, Randle, and Tatum plus whoever we take at #9? I would like that if its the right guy


Doink
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Greatna
Member since Sep 2012
254 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I like this line of thinking. Load up assets and make a shrewd move to get a player, in a position of need, that fits the team makeup. Draft BPA with our highest pick and pair those two with Jrue, Tatum, and Randle (if they decide to keep him)


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TeddyPadillac
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Dec 2010
12845 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
You probably have much better odds of 1 of the three picks turning into a really good player than you do trading up to get say the 8th pick and that 1 guy being better than each of those three picks. Not that big of a difference between 8 and 18 when it comes to finding a really good player.

I’d rather trade them away for guys like Drummond or Griffin or Conley, or a host of other guys. We aren’t attracting FA, so trades are the way to go.


DeionDeion
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
4975 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I'm with you Teddy. I'm an accumulation mindset. Give me more picks so I can get someone that fits a need (like Garland) and that allows me to take a chance on a flyer (like Sekou Doumbouya)


Especially in this draft. I think there is a clear top 2, maybe top 3 and then things get murky quickly.


NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
6936 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
Better to be fluid and hope that some team falls in love with a prospect or someone falls, then use that to trade for 2020 or 2021 1sts.


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LosLobos111
LSU Fan
Transcendent
Member since Feb 2011
38527 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
Honestly If we have say

10(Pels)
14(Kings)
18(clippers)

I'd trade the pels one to someone who falls in love with a guy in that range and get a decent fitting player and a 2020(or even 2021 due to having the pels own and probably Memphis in 2020) pick

Still plenty of decent prospects in the teens you can draft and it's not much of a drop off if any in talent

This post was edited on 3/7 at 10:52 am


DeionDeion
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
4975 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I wouldn't be opposed to that. I think top 2 are the studs of the draft. 3-6 are high-tier. And 7-17 is budding with talent but no standouts. after 17, definitely after 20, there is a pretty large drop-off.

basically I think picks 7-17 have fairly equal value this season and I think we can capitalize on that


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Pelibeast
Member since Jun 2017
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re: 14, 18, and 21
If we end up with let’s say 3 firsts in this draft, you try to trade at least one of them for future picks. Keep collecting picks in the future till we are ready to make our move for a star.


kpop1
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Jan 2018
88 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I know that I am off topic, but I respect the people contributing to this thread.

I have a question. With as long as it has been since Dell has been fired and Ferry being on interim status; has anyone heard (insider, outsider or sideways) any candidates for POBO (whatever the title will be) that have been contacted?

Does this search only ramp up when the season is over when Griffin and Zarren, and others are able to commit to a meeting?

I so want to be an insider to one up my friends...lol

Anyone?


Dantheman504
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jun 2013
152 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I think the search is almost fully ramped. I just think we won't here any concrete news until the season is over or almost over. I'm no insider but I'd guess other leaders in the organization have a few plans and are going to look at which POBO would best fit with them.


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jackwoods4
New Orleans Saints Fan
Nashville
Member since Sep 2013
20433 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
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Kings trade #13, #28, and the rights to Bogdanovic to move up to #8


Man, I wish it was actually the Kings who did this because it still haunts me


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Philippines4LSU
LSU Fan
Lake Sebu, S. Cotabalo, Philippines
Member since May 2018
4093 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
Do NBA front offices use anything like the NFL draft pick value chart for trades?



Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
1574 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
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Kings trade #13, #28, and the rights to Bogdanovic to move up to #8


Actually the Suns traded that haul to move up to 8 to take Chriss lol


TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
50047 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I'm going purely from memory here, but who traded up to get their guy and actually got someone worth getting? All I have coming to mind are failures

Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway wasn't a fail but certainly wasn't worth the extra assets to move up
Tatum/Fultz
Cole Aldrich when the Hornicans traded down for QPon and Craig Brackins and to dump Mo Pete
Marquisse Chris
Trey Burke to Utah instead of Shabazz and Dieng

I'm not saying it's an automatic fail, some of the guys picked with the later picks aren't any better, but I'm having a hard time of thinking when it was an actual win.

Use 1 pick and flip the other 2 for actual players and future assets.


BetOnIt
Member since Feb 2019
91 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
Jazz trading up to get Mitchell changed their franchise. It was a pick and a guy they drafted the year before, but it's the same in theory.


TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
50047 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
I guess who we have in the FO and how much they trust their talent evaluation will matter too. Ferry's draft record is pretty similar to Demps in that he hasn't had a lot of picks to make so we don't have much to judge him on. Maybe his first instinct would be to trade away the uncertainty, but if he were POBO and had a guy like Langdon with a scouting background as his #2 maybe they can find the Mitchell in the draft.
This post was edited on 3/8 at 8:09 am


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Chalkywhite84
New Orleans Saints Fan
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
2144 posts

re: 14, 18, and 21
Crewz just said they took some guy named Eddie Griffin lol.
Like you don't know who that is.

So if your not crewz, you seem to know alot about basketball but you don't remember Eddie Griffin from the rockets


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