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Why did Jules and Vincent need the Wolf?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:59 am
Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:59 am
Winston Wolf is an awesome character, but why would two seasoned hitmen need a cleaner to personally show up and walk them through disposing a body? Once they were at Jimmy’s, all they had to do was clean the car, change clothes, and dispose of the body. Surely they have a million ways to get rid of a body, including their own connections to someone like Monster Joe.
It’s like a mechanic calling AAA to change his flat on the side of the road.
It’s like a mechanic calling AAA to change his flat on the side of the road.
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:05 am to Globetrotter747
The ostensible reason for needing a specialist to handle the situation was because Bonnie was set to arrive home in 45 minutes.
That being said, yeah, the Wolf doesn’t tell them anything particularly special about how to dispose of the body: 1) clean the car down, 2) use bed lenin to cover up what can’t be cleaned up, 3) put the body in the trunk, and 4) have the car smashed into a cube at a Marcellus Wallace-connected junkyard.
That being said, yeah, the Wolf doesn’t tell them anything particularly special about how to dispose of the body: 1) clean the car down, 2) use bed lenin to cover up what can’t be cleaned up, 3) put the body in the trunk, and 4) have the car smashed into a cube at a Marcellus Wallace-connected junkyard.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:07 am to Globetrotter747
He's very well organized. Remember they only had 45 mins to clean the car and get out. He also gets rid of the car for them.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:17 am to Globetrotter747
Vincent wasn’t the sharpest tool in the box and Jules could be a little prickly. The best those two could have agreed on was to leave Jimmy’s and head somewhere else before Bonnie got home
more likely Bonnie would have busted them and shut would have gotten worse
more likely Bonnie would have busted them and shut would have gotten worse
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:18 am to Globetrotter747
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Winston Wolf is an awesome character, but why would two seasoned hitmen need a cleaner to personally show up and walk them through disposing a body? Once they were at Jimmy’s, all they had to do was clean the car, change clothes, and dispose of the body. Surely they have a million ways to get rid of a body, including their own connections to someone like Monster Joe.
It’s like a mechanic calling AAA to change his flat on the side of the road.
You really need to ask this question? He was 30 minutes away and arrived in 10 minutes....
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:32 pm to Globetrotter747
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why would two seasoned hitmen need a cleaner to personally show up and walk them through disposing a body?
Before he got there, Vincent couldn't even figure out how to wash his hands in the sink without fricking up Bonnie's linen!
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Those two left to their own devices under that time crunch and they would have ended up having to kill Jimmy and Bonnie and then dispose of three bodies. they needed an adult in the room.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:43 pm to Globetrotter747
Look at the evidence from the rest of the movie
-Both don’t check for another person in the apartment scene, and they should’ve been shot because of that.
-Vincent shoots a guy accidentally on public roads
-Vincent almost gets the Bosses wife killed with the heroin he bought the same day
-Vincent dies because he takes a shite on the job and leaves his gun in the kitchen
Now what exactly tells you that Jules Vincent are some expert upper tier hitmen? I think they were just some muscle men for Marcellious’s organization that didn’t mind a little killing. Doesn’t mean either one of them is an expert in their work or atleast weren’t that day.
-Both don’t check for another person in the apartment scene, and they should’ve been shot because of that.
-Vincent shoots a guy accidentally on public roads
-Vincent almost gets the Bosses wife killed with the heroin he bought the same day
-Vincent dies because he takes a shite on the job and leaves his gun in the kitchen
Now what exactly tells you that Jules Vincent are some expert upper tier hitmen?
I think they were just some muscle men for Marcellious’s organization that didn’t mind a little killing. Doesn’t mean either one of them is an expert in their work or atleast weren’t that day. This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:59 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Those two left to their own devices under that time crunch and they would have ended up having to kill Jimmy and Bonnie and then dispose of three bodies. they needed an adult in the room
Jimmy probably has connections to Marsellus Wallace's criminal enterprise, so I imagine Vincent and Jules could have tried other means of persuasion before resorting to murdering Jimmy.
...But they certainly would have had to murder Bonnie. If Jimmy is afraid she will freak out when she comes home, there's no other way to deal with her but to take her out...even if that means straining Jules and Jimmy's friendship.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:07 pm to Globetrotter747
The better question is why Jules and Vincent were getting the suitcase back and Wolf was at an elegant party at 8:00 in the morning.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:24 pm to Globetrotter747
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Winston Wolf is an awesome character, but why would two seasoned hitmen need a cleaner to personally show up and walk them through disposing a body?
I think you're missing the point - Marvin was their inside guy. They went to hit Brett and Roger (Flock of Seagulls) and retrieve the case. Marvin did not do a great job by letting them get surprised by Hand Cannon, but he was their guy.
So, they are in getaway mode, not clean up mode. The plan goes tits up with the accident. Their patterns of behavior are supposed to show they are not necessarily the best at what they do, particularly Vincent - he is either rusty or never was that great (see later in the film where he messes up the Butch hit).
Now, having the plan go south, they're in reaction mode. They're isolated, don't have the proper resources (remember their discussions that they should have shotguns for a job like that) and are not, by definition, leadership material. They call the boss. He sends a leadership figure to lead them out of the mess. He is better resourced (see his car, wads of cash, contacts to dispose of the car/body) and provides purpose, direction and motivation.
Often times that is all that is needed to turn a bad situation around.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:07 pm to Globetrotter747
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Why did Jules and Vincent need the Wolf?
You’ve got to appreciate what an explosive element the Bonnie situation was.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:48 pm to Globetrotter747
Because Quentin Tarantino, like every other white man, is a racist, who wants to keep black guys like Jules, and dagos like Vincient, under the smart white, and/or Jewish, man, especially one named Winston. It's a continuation of the Tarzan, John Wayne, and Elvis myths. Am I doing this right?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:52 pm to chinese58
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Because Quentin Tarantino, like every other white man, is a racist,
He does like to write scripts so he can say the N word.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:53 pm to rebelrouser
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The better question is why Jules and Vincent were getting the suitcase back and Wolf was at an elegant party at 8:00 in the morning.
Wolf was definitely at a pre wedding ceremony.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:08 pm to EuphoricSSP
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Wolf was definitely at a pre wedding ceremony.
He's in a tuxedo at 7:30 drinking champagne?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:11 pm to rebelrouser
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He's in a tuxedo at 7:30 drinking champagne?
"...See, you're judging this shite the wrong way. The Wolf could have been at a pre-wedding ceremony or an extremely early black tie affair. That shite don't matter...What does matter is they felt the touch of the Wolf...the Wolf got involved."
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:05 pm to rebelrouser
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He's in a tuxedo at 7:30 drinking champagne?
Nobody would blink an eye in New Orleans.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:23 pm to Globetrotter747
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Surely they have a million ways to get rid of a body,
Or surely they don't because that's why they call the boss because things went south.
They already have killed an apt full of guys and kind of on the run. They accidentally shoot marvin in the face. Jimmy was the closet place to get off the road. Now they need to get rid of a body and a car. Do they just leave it somewhere or anywhere? No, the call the boss who calls the Wolf because he has connections to a auto salvage where they can destroy a car and a body without a trace.
Or at least that's how I saw it.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:55 pm to Cdawg
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Or at least that's how I saw it.
And Bruce Willis's character Butch is the real smart one in the entire cast.
He doesn't go along with the fixed fight and KO's his opponent, thus getting on Wallace's bad side.
He hooks up with a hot chick he's bedding down, goes back to his apartment and kills Vincent, gets into a running war with Wallace, winds up in a Pawn Shop where the owner takes both of them hostage, KO's the gimp and kills the shop owner while sparing Wallace even more humiliation from being arse fricked by Zed, rolls off on Zed's Harley and rides off into the sunset with the hot chick.
And Zed gets to face Wallace's wrath in a very slow death.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:14 pm to Globetrotter747
Vincent was lazy, a drug addict and read children's books. He had to be told what to do.
Plus cleaning yourself up with all that blood isn't easy when you don't have any Lava soap.
Jules freaked out over everything and couldn't think clearly.
And Jimmie just wanted them out of his house - they would've argued for the entire 45 minutes before Bonnie got home.
Plus cleaning yourself up with all that blood isn't easy when you don't have any Lava soap.
Jules freaked out over everything and couldn't think clearly.
And Jimmie just wanted them out of his house - they would've argued for the entire 45 minutes before Bonnie got home.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 5:15 pm
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