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Was Kevin dropping the chili the moment The Office jumped the shark?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:03 am
Not to say that The Office didn’t have any quality writing after this episode, but this act, to me, just signified the first time the writing got shallow/cheap/desperate. I know it’s a beloved and iconic moment in the the show, but it seemed to depart from the prior subtle style of jokes that originally resonated with its audience.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:12 am to Mufassa
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it’s a beloved and iconic moment in the the show,
Which makes no sense to me. Early office was witty and sharp and the delivery of the characters was superb. To go from that to "fat dullard spills chili, then rolls around in it" just felt cheap
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:12 am to Mufassa
It was just a cold open. So for me, my answer is no.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:13 am to Mufassa
Michael driving the car into the lake was much worse than the chili spill
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:13 am to Mufassa
Not at all. It was fitting for that character. His narration saying he toasts his own chiles, dices fresh tomatoes, presses the garlic, etc., as he's dropping the chili was perfect. Then he says it's the thing he does best as he's putting it back into the pot with file folders. 
Why do you think it's cheap?
Why do you think it's cheap?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:17 am to eric4UA08
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It was just a cold open. So for me, my answer is no.
This is a good point
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:17 am to Mufassa
No. Michael driving the car into the lake.
ETA: Sun God already beat me to it.
ETA: Sun God already beat me to it.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to MightyYat
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Why do you think it's cheap?
Because I don’t find it intelligent. Kevin drops the chili and then writhes around in it. I don’t think it fits his character; I think it’s an example of Flanderization of his original character. To me it was an example of the writing team running low on nuanced takes on office life.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:26 am to Mufassa
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prior subtle style of jokes that originally resonated with its audience.
Subtle is not the way I would describe the office, especially early on
the “that’s what she said” ones for example are quite the opposite 
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:27 am to Mufassa
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Kevin drops the chili and then writhes around in it.
No he doesn't.
He drops the chili, then tries to scoop it back into the pot using Pam's file folders. At the very last minute, he slips. He's not "writhing around in it."
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:30 am to Mufassa
They did eventually start to move away from "office" scenarios and focus on the lives of the characters more with the office simply being the backdrop. Which is why I think the Christmas episodes are all very strong. None of them have any real storyline because it's simply one office christmas cliche after another.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:31 am to WG_Dawg
When Erin came on board is when the show really started to go down hill. Steve Carrel leaving just drove in the nail.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:36 am to SSpaniel
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He's not "writhing around in it."
Crawling on hands and knees and slips onto his belly in the chili*
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:38 am to Mufassa
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Crawling on hands and knees and slips onto his belly in the chili*
Better.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:47 am to Loungefly85
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When Erin came on board is when the show really started to go down hill
Blasphemy. Erin is a great character, and weirdly hot.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:48 am to Mufassa
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Because I don’t find it intelligent. Kevin drops the chili and then writhes around in it. I don’t think it fits his character; I think it’s an example of Flanderization of his original character. To me it was an example of the writing team running low on nuanced takes on office life.
It wasn't funny because he dropped the chili, it was funny because "it's the thing he does best," and no matter what Kevin kind of fumbles everything. Even the thing he does best.
It was on point for the character and the show, because you were hoping he would show everyone what he does best. They missed him nailing basketball shots, it was a callback to the good things he does that no one sees.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:51 am to Mufassa
DeAngelo existing
Any Jim and pam scene after they got together
Pam and the camera man
Take your pick
Any Jim and pam scene after they got together
Pam and the camera man
Take your pick
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:38 am to Mufassa
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I don’t think it fits his character; I think it’s an example of Flanderization of his original character. To me it was an example of the writing team running low on nuanced takes on office life.
nothing really after season 2 fits his character if we are being honest. his character completely changed from his early depiction.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:38 am to Maximus
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Pam and the camera man
so it jumped the shark late into its final season? lol
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:55 am to Sun God
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Michael driving the car into the lake was much worse than the chili spill
Probably so, but it definitely is not when the show jumped the shark. He drove his car into the lake a few episodes into Season 4 when The Office was still in it's prime.
I'm not sure if I can point to a single shark jumping moment for the show. Seasons 2-4 were definitely the best to me. Season 5 was still very good, but not quite the same.
I think Season 6 around the time Sabre bought Dundler Mifflin/Jim and Pam have the baby was the point when my interest in the show took a big step back. Then after Michael leaves, I honestly did not enjoy the show very much anymore.
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