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Was firing Conan the death of Late Night TV in general?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:10 pm
I mean, it's definitely dead right now. Just nothing but a graveyard of hacks and it's more resembles church congregations and commercials (to be fair deep down that's what it always was), but man, was Conan's final two weeks just epic for late night in general. Conan's departure was the biggest frick you in television history at the time.
To start it off, there had been very bad blood between Conan and Jeff Zucker (then the head of NBC) for years since college. Conan was the editor of the Harvard Lampoon and Zucker was the editor of the Harvard Crimson, and it was war between the two non-stop to the point where Zucker got Conan arrested in college being the narc weasel he is. Here are some things Conan (all fricking hilarious) did to Zucker and his paper in college:
And then Zucker did this:
What a fricking weasel not only calling the cops but also being there with the fricking police over his arrest. Well years later in 2004 Conan was announced to be Leno's (himself a chief weasel in his own right conning the Tonight Show for himself TWO TIMES) successor, and Jeff Zucker was just in charge of primetime then, but within the year was promoted to the head of NBC. Well Conan had a problem with his archenemy becoming his boss, so during the next Emmys in 2006, Conan did an entire musical number dedicated to how much Jeff Zucker sucks and has ruined NBC. He doesn't mention Zucker by name, but the song is clearly about him and taunts him during the song that he can't sue him for carefully worded lyrics. From YouTube, but here's where he references Zucker pretty much directly:
And the guy who passed on LOST
Was promoted instead of tossed
And now the peacock is getting it from both ends
And even without this Zucker was looking to fire Conan as soon as humanly possible, so they not only gave him 6 months, but he fricked up the primetime having Leno on at fricking 10:00, and then when he couldn't gain the audience that Leno had (which btw NBC local news' ratings tanked as well), then they decided to cancel basically him.
And pretty much those last two weeks were the last hurrah for late night television, and it was pretty glorious. Remember when Kimmel used to be fat and funny? Here is gloriously shitting on Leno on Leno's show: LINK
Dave shitting on Leno for saying "Don't blame Conan"
And then of course The Bugatti Veyron Mouse
Probably another dozen or so moments from that week from all of them (save for Leno or Fallon). But after this, save for Craig Ferguson and Jon Stewart, all of late night pretty much died that week and those two were gone by 2015. It never recovered from those two glorious weeks. I used to feel bad that Norm didn't get the Late Show or the Late Late Show, but he's better than the dumpster fires they are today, nor should he be a shill selling shitty movies, tv shows, and products his bosses tell him to.
Now late night is either woke bullshite or retarded shite like Jimmy Fallon playing drinking games or taking Post Malone to the Olive Garden (this is what these retard commoners like right?) Late Night is done and it's time to move onto podcasts that are actually funny. The good news is they no longer have anything to "joke about" since they've killed the golden goose, and now half of them are going to go under.
To start it off, there had been very bad blood between Conan and Jeff Zucker (then the head of NBC) for years since college. Conan was the editor of the Harvard Lampoon and Zucker was the editor of the Harvard Crimson, and it was war between the two non-stop to the point where Zucker got Conan arrested in college being the narc weasel he is. Here are some things Conan (all fricking hilarious) did to Zucker and his paper in college:
quote:
The arrest was something of the last straw after O’Brien and The National Lampoon pulled a series of pranks on Zucker, including a fake phone-sex ad with Zucker’s dorm-room phone number; stealing the Crimson’s “prized collection of caricatures of its past presidents” and mailing them to Duluth, Minnesota; and stealing the newspaper’s presidential throne.
And then Zucker did this:
quote:
“O’Brien cut his teeth in comedy as president of The Harvard Lampoon, a semi-secret Sorrento Square social organization that used to occasionally publish a so-called humor magazine. In fact, O’Brien first met Zucker, his current boss, one day when O’Brien and the Lampoon editors stole all the copies of that morning’s Crimson. Zucker, then Crimson President, called the police and met O’Brien face to face while he was being arrested.”
What a fricking weasel not only calling the cops but also being there with the fricking police over his arrest. Well years later in 2004 Conan was announced to be Leno's (himself a chief weasel in his own right conning the Tonight Show for himself TWO TIMES) successor, and Jeff Zucker was just in charge of primetime then, but within the year was promoted to the head of NBC. Well Conan had a problem with his archenemy becoming his boss, so during the next Emmys in 2006, Conan did an entire musical number dedicated to how much Jeff Zucker sucks and has ruined NBC. He doesn't mention Zucker by name, but the song is clearly about him and taunts him during the song that he can't sue him for carefully worded lyrics. From YouTube, but here's where he references Zucker pretty much directly:
And the guy who passed on LOST
Was promoted instead of tossed
And now the peacock is getting it from both ends
And even without this Zucker was looking to fire Conan as soon as humanly possible, so they not only gave him 6 months, but he fricked up the primetime having Leno on at fricking 10:00, and then when he couldn't gain the audience that Leno had (which btw NBC local news' ratings tanked as well), then they decided to cancel basically him.
And pretty much those last two weeks were the last hurrah for late night television, and it was pretty glorious. Remember when Kimmel used to be fat and funny? Here is gloriously shitting on Leno on Leno's show: LINK
Dave shitting on Leno for saying "Don't blame Conan"
And then of course The Bugatti Veyron Mouse
Probably another dozen or so moments from that week from all of them (save for Leno or Fallon). But after this, save for Craig Ferguson and Jon Stewart, all of late night pretty much died that week and those two were gone by 2015. It never recovered from those two glorious weeks. I used to feel bad that Norm didn't get the Late Show or the Late Late Show, but he's better than the dumpster fires they are today, nor should he be a shill selling shitty movies, tv shows, and products his bosses tell him to.
Now late night is either woke bullshite or retarded shite like Jimmy Fallon playing drinking games or taking Post Malone to the Olive Garden (this is what these retard commoners like right?) Late Night is done and it's time to move onto podcasts that are actually funny. The good news is they no longer have anything to "joke about" since they've killed the golden goose, and now half of them are going to go under.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:56 pm to OMLandshark
Stopped watching Late Night when Ferguson called it quits. Little did I know how great of a decision this was.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:01 pm to OMLandshark
Internet killed 90 percent of television and movies. The only shows that are popular are reality television and movie level big budget tv shows. Hell most movies are either super hero or basically indie films that gain a big following.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:03 pm to OMLandshark
Once people figured out that the "late shows" were taped 8 hours earlier they stopped watching.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:06 pm to OMLandshark
That 2 week period was pure chaos. I totally forgot about Kimmel’s ribbing of Leno. It was brutal
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:11 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Once people figured out that the "late shows" were taped 8 hours earlier they stopped watching.
Pretty much. We went to NYC for a quick anniversary trip. This was maybe 2010-11. Ended up doing a tour at Rockefeller. Saw Fallon’s rehearsal. We were back home in Birmingham that night and saw the show. It was word for word what we saw early that afternoon.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:25 pm to theunknownknight
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No.
Leftists and political activism killed it.
Ah yes, the battlecry of the M/TV board these days.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:30 pm to OMLandshark
The slow death of late night was brought on by digital media, starting with YouTube and further exacerbated by different and new mediums, which killed the novelty of celebrity interviews and rehearsed skits.
It had been in decline for quite some time before the second war for the Tonight Show. Leno had always been an unfunny hack, and Letterman had essentially given up and started mailing it in by the early 2000s. Bill Carter talked one time about how by the early 2000s Letterman was taping two shows on Monday, the second of which was the one aired on Friday since they didn't tape on Fridays. The issue with that was that they couldn't make any jokes about relevant or topical issues because they might be irrelevant or out of date by that Friday, so those episodes were always extremely weak.
Late night is like Sears in the 2000s. A long time ago It used to be a giant, but you haven't consumed their goods in years and don't really know anyone who has, either.
It had been in decline for quite some time before the second war for the Tonight Show. Leno had always been an unfunny hack, and Letterman had essentially given up and started mailing it in by the early 2000s. Bill Carter talked one time about how by the early 2000s Letterman was taping two shows on Monday, the second of which was the one aired on Friday since they didn't tape on Fridays. The issue with that was that they couldn't make any jokes about relevant or topical issues because they might be irrelevant or out of date by that Friday, so those episodes were always extremely weak.
Late night is like Sears in the 2000s. A long time ago It used to be a giant, but you haven't consumed their goods in years and don't really know anyone who has, either.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:50 pm to OMLandshark
No because Conan's dismal ratings on TBS proved that NBC made the right decision. He works well at 12:30, not so much at 11:30 and earlier. His humor isn't for mainstream audiences.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:55 pm to OMLandshark
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Dave shitting on Leno for saying "Don't blame Conan"
This might have been my favorite part of that whole fiasco. Dave consistently taking the time out of his show to talk about the mess at NBC.
The best part was Dave kept making Carson Daly’s show the real butt of the joke.
“We’ll get everybody in here to work this out. Jay, Conan, Jimmy Fallon. And we’ll get a folding chair for Carson or something.”
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:57 pm to jatilen
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No because Conan's dismal ratings on TBS proved that NBC made the right decision. He works well at 12:30, not so much at 11:30 and earlier. His humor isn't for mainstream audiences.
Yeah, made a great choice by hiring Seth Meyers when he said he was proud that he couldn't make fun of Caitlyn Jenner, and then after badgering him for months, Seinfeld finally agreed to come on simply to bury him for being a fricking pussy and buries a New Yorker journalist (David Remnick) as well: Seinfeld burying Meyers
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:58 pm to OMLandshark
Those two weeks, along with writer’s strike Conan was some of the best Conan I’ve ever seen. I was so pumped when he got the Tonight Show because i was a regular viewer and I was equally saddened when he had that time slot stolen away from him by that hack, Leno.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:03 pm to OMLandshark
Late night needs to just die. It’s a relic of the past. The hosts are terrible and it’s all unfunny garbage these days with bad jokes about orange man
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:10 pm to jatilen
Huge difference between Network and cable when it comes to ratings. Can't even compare.
Conan is the last of the OG late night hosts.
Conan is the last of the OG late night hosts.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:22 am to Feral
Leno at least knew how to read his audience at one point.
During the early 80s he did a gig for Mattel’s Christmas party after the release of the Intelivision.
One of the jokes that got the best response was “The three biggest lies are ‘The check is in the mail’, ‘I’ll respect you in the morning’, and ‘The Intelivision keyboard will be out next month.”
The Intellivision people thought that was fricking hilarious considering the issues getting the keyboard out the door.
During the early 80s he did a gig for Mattel’s Christmas party after the release of the Intelivision.
One of the jokes that got the best response was “The three biggest lies are ‘The check is in the mail’, ‘I’ll respect you in the morning’, and ‘The Intelivision keyboard will be out next month.”
The Intellivision people thought that was fricking hilarious considering the issues getting the keyboard out the door.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:12 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I was equally saddened when he had that time slot stolen away from him by that hack, Leno.
I love how people make Leno out to be the villain in this story. The real villain of it all was Jeff Zucker and NBC. You might want to read the Wikipedia article on how it all went down. It's actually very fascinating the level of incompetence the network displayed throughout the whole saga, which began all the way back in 2001 - some nine years before everything hit the fan.
Wikipedia
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:41 am to RollTide1987
See, I love Conan too but the fact of the matter is that Leno got better ratings. Period. It is a business and most people preferred him. It was unwise to put Conan there in the first place - it wasn’t his crowd.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:43 am to red sox fan 13
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Late night needs to just die. It’s a relic of the past.
The shows were created by the studios to promote their movies and pimp their whores.
Hosts had different takes. Carson was paid to not make it look like farce...Letterman couldn't help himself in being self-depricatihg... basically the show is a joke but we're working hard to appear to be against the man. Buy it's still a shill show for studios.
Fallon good lord just pay me. Like the crackhead in Menace to Society, he's basically "I'll suck your dick" just to keep his job. He would promote Chairman of the Bored* as the GOAT movie of all-time if the studio told him to do so.
* Norm
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 5:45 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:59 am to OMLandshark
Nah I think Youtube killed late night.
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