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re: WACO Trailer | Taylor Kitsch plays David Koresh
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
Media had trouble w/ allegations in 1993
Not defending Koresh, I certainly don't think the government has been completely honest either
Not defending Koresh, I certainly don't think the government has been completely honest either
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:09 pm
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:09 pm to TheCaterpillar
Great for Kitsch. He's apparently a great guy who is very down to earth. Live in Austin and i know people who have met him out and about and said he's awesome.
Was great in Lone Survivor and FNL
Was great in Lone Survivor and FNL
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:35 pm to RollTide1987
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This and Ruby Ridge are shameful events in our history that should never have happened.
I hope they don't let the Feds and Janet Reno off the hook with this mini-series.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:36 pm to NIH
There are voice recordings of some of the men spreading gasoline.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:42 pm to jackwoods4
"The family" in Australia was/is a creepy cult. Village of the damned type shite.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:01 pm to dallastiger55
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people who have met him out and about and said he's awesome.
My friend and I ran into him at Star Bar and he was a total twat. And we didn't approach or bother him or give him a reason to be...he was shitty to the bar staff and just an arrogant prick.
My friend was bummed out because she was a big fan before that encounter.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:12 pm to TheCaterpillar
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But Koresh burned his own fricking people alive and was raping kids.
Hindsight. And incredibly horribly handled.
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I don't think these two events are equals.
They aren't. The government launching assaults on US citizens disturbs me much more than morons joining a cult.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:Two big assumptions without substantial proof.
But Koresh burned his own fricking people alive and was raping kids.
Not a fan of Koresh, just skeptical of any story from the thugs that instigated it.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:44 pm to Blue Velvet
Watch the documentary Waco: the rules of engagement. Shows a tank outfitted with a nozzle to dispense a very volitale/ flammable pepper spray Into the building. Experts say there were many less flammable versions they could have used but didn't. A witness says he saw the tank breach a wall and seen a flare like flame come the tank and set the place on fire. Experts said the way the tank breached tne walls tney were purposely do so to make a tinder box configuration Then behind the compound where the media wasn't allowed, the creator of the FLIR examined helicopter taken FLIR video and saw 2 machine nests firing in the direction of the only escape route out the back of the compound. The footage of the bodies of children who were bent almost completely backwards due to the hemorrhaging due to the volitale chemicals was horrific. The government really screwed that one up.
Koresh was definitely a POS, but lots of other people died in an awful manner.
One piece of damming evidence was the compounds front door. I don't remember how many rounds were counted going into the compound, but it was more than any outgoing.
Koresh was definitely a POS, but lots of other people died in an awful manner.
One piece of damming evidence was the compounds front door. I don't remember how many rounds were counted going into the compound, but it was more than any outgoing.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:46 pm to Blue Velvet
There are multiple Branch Davidians who to this day say the fire was an accidental result of the ATF's assault. Still more say the fire was deliberately started by the ATF as a means to smoke them out of the compound.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:01 pm to bknight00
quote:Used to be on Netflix. However, the Ruby Ridge one still is.
Waco: the rules of engagement
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:07 pm to Blue Velvet
Even the Washington Post had trouble with the molestation story in 1993
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:13 pm to TheCaterpillar
I will never ever forget as a kid seeing the images of the Davidian compound crawling with FBI and ATF agents and then engulfed in flames on television. That and the OJ chase are as vivid now as they were then. Those not around then cannot imagine how much the nightly news impacted the lives of Americans.
Kitsch also looks to be doing some incredible acting in this...far beyond anything I've ever seen him do before. Seems he'll get another shot at big time stardom after this too...he was supposed to be the next Tom Cruise, but John Carter and True Detective nearly destroyed his career.
Kitsch also looks to be doing some incredible acting in this...far beyond anything I've ever seen him do before. Seems he'll get another shot at big time stardom after this too...he was supposed to be the next Tom Cruise, but John Carter and True Detective nearly destroyed his career.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:17 pm to Jack Ruby
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True Detective nearly destroyed his career.
I don't think True Detective was really his fault, to be fair. Writing sort of doomed him to fail.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:28 pm to Jack Ruby
I remember the furor over Waco and the general feeling among the entire public was that the government started the fire and was out of control.
The government of course denied everything, rewrote the narrative in the ensuing years...and sadly today, the revisionist narrative might have won the day as it seems less and less have sympathy for the Waco dead.
But the government did as much as they could to rewrite the history with accusations and defamation over those that died.
Waco and Ruby Ridge sort of show how the country has shifted. Once we were aghast.
As for Reno and Clinton in this debacle:
Former aide, Dick Morris said Clinton wanted to drop Reno after his first term in office but Reno threatened to tell the media that it was Clinton, not she, who ordered the raid on the compound in Waco that ended with 76 men, women, and children killed when the building was burned to the ground.
"Reno threatened the president with telling the truth about Waco, and that caused the president to back down," he said.
"Then he went into a meeting with her, and he told me that she begged and pleaded, saying that . . . she didn't want to be fired because if she were fired it would look like he was firing her over Waco," Morris said. "And I knew that what that meant was that she would tell the truth about what happened in Waco.
"That was after Clinton had told me, 'Janet Reno was the worst mistake I ever made,'" Morris said. "He hated her."
The government of course denied everything, rewrote the narrative in the ensuing years...and sadly today, the revisionist narrative might have won the day as it seems less and less have sympathy for the Waco dead.
But the government did as much as they could to rewrite the history with accusations and defamation over those that died.
Waco and Ruby Ridge sort of show how the country has shifted. Once we were aghast.
As for Reno and Clinton in this debacle:
Former aide, Dick Morris said Clinton wanted to drop Reno after his first term in office but Reno threatened to tell the media that it was Clinton, not she, who ordered the raid on the compound in Waco that ended with 76 men, women, and children killed when the building was burned to the ground.
"Reno threatened the president with telling the truth about Waco, and that caused the president to back down," he said.
"Then he went into a meeting with her, and he told me that she begged and pleaded, saying that . . . she didn't want to be fired because if she were fired it would look like he was firing her over Waco," Morris said. "And I knew that what that meant was that she would tell the truth about what happened in Waco.
"That was after Clinton had told me, 'Janet Reno was the worst mistake I ever made,'" Morris said. "He hated her."
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:32 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Evidence was presented that way in the doc.
fire was deliberately started by the ATF as a means to smoke them out of the compound.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:13 pm to TheCaterpillar
Just finished it. All I can say is wow.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:42 am to jackwoods4
RIP
These people are about to be Clinton'd.
ETA: On a serious note, this looks pretty good, will watch.
These people are about to be Clinton'd.
ETA: On a serious note, this looks pretty good, will watch.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:33 am to NIH
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NIH
I don't really get what your point is. Regardless of the truth, the Branch Davidians are dead and that's the conclusion we all wanted considering how Koresh was.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 3:45 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:40 am to Tigris
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The government launching assaults on US citizens disturbs me much more than morons joining a cult.
A cult planning an attack on the United States. And even if they weren't, they deserve to get fricked because
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cult
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