re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E06 “Axe and Grind” Thread

Don’t attorneys offices use PIs for different things already?

Being that Jimmy and Kim worked for HHM, they would know the PI that Howard uses and would maybe assume Howard would hire the PI to try and get evidence they are messing with him?

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I originally misread that scene because it seemed like her Mom was the one who stole the jewelry for her & young Kim seemed disappointed about it, but maybe it was just a team effort?

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This is exactly what I took away. Definitely not a team effort.

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Was the opening scene of Axe and Grind hinting that she's always had this bad side we didn't know about?

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Maybe not always, but starting there. She stole the earrings as a cry for help and attention from her mom. And I think she actually wanted to be disciplined by her mom. I think Kim was faked out by her Mom’s performance just like you, me, and the rest of the audience was. Kids need boundaries to feel safe, and there was something about her Mom being mad that made her feel safe. That’s why she reached up and grabbed her mom’s hand as soon as they walked out. But as soon as the mom reveals it was all an act and not only didn’t she care, but she was proud, Kim immediately let’s go of her hand, almost aggressively. I think she feels betrayed by her lack of discipline, because she goes back to feeling unsafe, unprotected.

So that may be the moment Kim finally realizes the “wolf and sheep” ness of the world and determines she’s gonna be a wolf. That’s why she kept those earrings (sharp, like teeth), because that was a very important awakening moment in her life. She’s on her own and to survive she’s gonna have to be a wolf. (When they drive away, there’s a Duran Duran song on the radio. Huge band in the 80s, but their biggest hit was “Hungry Like the Wolf.” I do think this was done on purpose, though subtlety. Playing that exact song would have been too on the nose).

All previous thoughts are mine, but I did see something on YouTube that I wish I had been attentive enough to notice. Notice the shirt Kim is wearing under her overalls. It’s a white shirt with an apple pattern, apples all over. And where do apples not fall far from?

Kim is either turning or has turned into the wolf that her mom is right there. Because she realizes that’s her only way to survive. And right now, she thinks Howard is a sheep.

Thanks for posting those lyrics.

I had forgotten just how bad that song was.

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All previous thoughts are mine, but I did see something on YouTube that I wish I had been attentive enough to notice. Notice the shirt Kim is wearing under her overalls. It’s a white shirt with an apple pattern, apples all over. And where do apples not fall far from?

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That's interesting, but there's no way I'm noticing small stuff like that while watching. I wouldn't be able to enjoy the show if I'm looking for the smallest details like what are they wearing & what song is playing on the radio. Could probably do a 2nd rewatch & try to find things like that, but I enjoy watching the show instead of trying to solve the puzzle while watching.

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Thanks for posting those lyrics.

I had forgotten just how bad that song was.

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Say what? The Reflex is fricking awesome...I love that song.

At the end of this episode when Kim turns the car around she says "it happens today". The mediation is taking place in a few hours, right? What could she/they possibly do to make this work in a few hours knowing the judges arm is broken? They would need new photos, right? And shouldn't they have already somehow had Howard see these photos? Unless they were going to do that after the fact (if it didn't go Howard's way).
Plus, they have no idea how this judge is going to mediate or if the mediation will go their way...I attend mediations all the time. There's alot of give and take.

I’m in the camp that Howard’s PI is actually working for Kim and Jimmy and they’ve been reviewing and approving the photos that get shown to Howard. The plot board has a lot of shite on it. It’s meticulous. They’ve considered all of it so they definitely have a handle on his PI. Plus Kim has already shown the ability to recognize when she’s being followed. That’s why the picnic at HHM was is of no concern. They are controlling Howard’s PI to their advantage.

I’m probably very wrong

In other news I’ll enjoy the ride to the end but I do have the feeling that after such a lengthy delay for this season that the story would’ve been more polished than it’s coming across. That being said I’m ok ignoring some of the convenient unlikelies that show up from time to time

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It’s not like Lalo was disguised, as he pulled that gun pretty fast. (Unnecessarily so, I thought. He could have extracted that info a lot easier imo. Didn’t love that writing.)

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My god, me too. Maybe tell him something like, Hey I have some questions about the underground project yall were doing in America. I think your boss was murdered by the guy in charge. Can I ask you a few questions about that? Then pull the gun if you don't like the answers. That was bad writing imo..

Yep, Kim's bad side was coming out well before S05. I've gone back to S02 when they first started scamming people together & I think the switch happened then - also when she left HHM iirc. I haven't looked into it yet, but I'd be willing to bet she was not wearing the earrings to start S02 but she might've started wearing them at some point around then.