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re: Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri | *SPOILERS* Discussion
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:49 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:49 am to OMLandshark
Saw this last night. Loved it. You think you know the characters early on—they seem like a bunch of caricatures and stereotypes. But you slowly come to realize there are no completely sympathetic characters, and no one is irredeemably bad.
One moment I wanted to mention was when McDormand was at dinner with Dinklage and things went south because the ex was there. When she accused Dinklage of "forcing" her to have dinner, man I felt his pain. He covered her arse, and although he took advantage of the situation to get her to go to dinner, he was a nice guy and was obviously not going to ask for anything else beyond dinner. Her all-consuming sense of guilt made her do and say a bunch of things that really tested your sympathy for her.
Like others said, it really appears like the original plot was for Rockwell to be the hero and solve the case, but during production they realized that would be a way too tidy ending. Having the Idaho dude deployed to some unnamed sandy location actually made for a plausible scenario that he was bragging about some atrocity he committed overseas. But then of course it made no sense he would visit the gift shop. I think they could have fixed that by just mentioning that they found out he was visiting town because he was an old friend of Willoughby's. But the reason I'm mentioning the seemingly altered plot, is that I don't buy that McDormand and Rockwell suddenly decided to become would-be vigilantes. I liked the uncertainty of the ending (I think they eventually decided to turn around and go home), but I thought it was a weak plot direction. However, it doesn't ruin the movie because it was all about character development, not plot.
One moment I wanted to mention was when McDormand was at dinner with Dinklage and things went south because the ex was there. When she accused Dinklage of "forcing" her to have dinner, man I felt his pain. He covered her arse, and although he took advantage of the situation to get her to go to dinner, he was a nice guy and was obviously not going to ask for anything else beyond dinner. Her all-consuming sense of guilt made her do and say a bunch of things that really tested your sympathy for her.
Like others said, it really appears like the original plot was for Rockwell to be the hero and solve the case, but during production they realized that would be a way too tidy ending. Having the Idaho dude deployed to some unnamed sandy location actually made for a plausible scenario that he was bragging about some atrocity he committed overseas. But then of course it made no sense he would visit the gift shop. I think they could have fixed that by just mentioning that they found out he was visiting town because he was an old friend of Willoughby's. But the reason I'm mentioning the seemingly altered plot, is that I don't buy that McDormand and Rockwell suddenly decided to become would-be vigilantes. I liked the uncertainty of the ending (I think they eventually decided to turn around and go home), but I thought it was a weak plot direction. However, it doesn't ruin the movie because it was all about character development, not plot.
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:19 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
It would have been fine with Dixon being the hero who captured the villain. Every plot doesn’t need a surprise last minute twist. This was a character study. No need to get your plot panties all knotted up.
One other thing, they may have made Mildred a bit too dark. The dentist scene AND the firebombing scene both made her character a bit too unbelievably chaotic. You could probably handle one of the scenes with the proper build-up/justification, but having both made her a warped, irredeemable “cu nt”, and just not sympathetic enough. She would not be the type of person to respond to Willoughby’s blood cough the way they portrayed.
I enjoyed the movie otherwise. Acting was superb as everyone mentioned.
One other thing, they may have made Mildred a bit too dark. The dentist scene AND the firebombing scene both made her character a bit too unbelievably chaotic. You could probably handle one of the scenes with the proper build-up/justification, but having both made her a warped, irredeemable “cu nt”, and just not sympathetic enough. She would not be the type of person to respond to Willoughby’s blood cough the way they portrayed.
I enjoyed the movie otherwise. Acting was superb as everyone mentioned.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 6:08 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Like others said, it really appears like the original plot was for Rockwell to be the hero and solve the case, but during production they realized that would be a way too tidy ending
And I didn’t realize that was Abby Cornish until it clicked with me during the gift shop scene. I thought I detected an accent early in the movie, then confirmed it in the middle of the movie. It was very odd. Almost like she was slipping in & out of it early in the movie, but abandoned any effort at an American accent by the end.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:04 am to jackwoods4
Highly overrated movie. Too many plot holes. 1) Guy shows up from Idaho to taunt the mother about the raping and killing of her daughter in Missouri while at the time of the event he was deployed in Iraq? 2) Sam Rockwell's character throws a guy out of a second story window with the new police chief watching and there is no legal ramifications? 3) The mother burns down the police station and she' s the primary suspect yet there is no further inquiry after Peter Dinklage's drunken alibi? 4) The ex husband's girlfriend is way too stupid to be believable "polo or polio?". If this is considered a great film than Hollywood has truly turned to shite and should stick to CGI enhanced comic book movies for the masses.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 12:54 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:09 am to TaTa Toothy
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Highly overrated movie. Too many plot holes. 1) Guy shows up from Idaho to taunt the mother about the raping and killing of her daughter in Missouri while at the time of the event he was deployed in Iraq? 2) Sam Rockwell's character throws a guy out of a second story window with the new police chief watching and there is no legal ramifications? 3) The mother burns down the police station and she' s the primary suspect yet there is no further inquiry after Peter Dinklage's drunken alibi? 4) The ex husband's girlfriend is way too stupid to be believable "polo or polio?". If this is considered a great film than Hollywood has truly turned to shite and should stick to CGI enhanced comic book movies for the masses.
it was written and directed by one of hte most prolific playwrights in irish history. many stage works have unbelievable characters, moments, and coincidences that the audience is supposed to suspend disbelief for. have you seen In Bruges or Seven Psychopaths?
Oftentimes they will lead you down one road and then it stops at a dead end. In a movie directed by this guy's brother, all these horrible things happen to the protagonist and his dog gets its throat slit. when the bad guy confesses to doing everything, he denies killing the dog and seems disturbed by it. you never find out who did it, just like you never found out why the guy taunted mildred in the gift shop. all they want you to take from it is that it was NOT the person that you thought. classic misdirection and reversal, with an up-in-the-air resolution. the things you mentioned are very intentional. the writers develop the worlds to where those kinds of things are believable since the audience is used to suspending disbelief
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:16 am to Carson123987
Loved the movie. Frances and Sam are two of my favorite actors.
I agree that the Idaho soldier's behavior does seem without adequate motivation. Unless you make the argument that he is the kind of sadist who would taunt the mother of a raped and desecrated girl? Which might fit if he heard about the murder/rape and wanted to torment a victim's mother.
There are people who write and say nasty things to family members of a murder victim like this.
I agree that the Idaho soldier's behavior does seem without adequate motivation. Unless you make the argument that he is the kind of sadist who would taunt the mother of a raped and desecrated girl? Which might fit if he heard about the murder/rape and wanted to torment a victim's mother.
There are people who write and say nasty things to family members of a murder victim like this.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:24 am to Carson123987
We found someone with an even more hipster tastes than you carson
Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:45 pm to Carson123987
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he denies killing the dog and seems disturbed by it. you never find out who did it
It was the bartender, you can see a bandage on his hand afterwards in a couple of scenes so it's really just hinted at. There were several people pissed at the priest so the death of the dog was not inconsistent or surprising (Calvary is one of my favorites in recent years). The behavior of the guy from Idaho just made no sense.
Three Billboards is good but it just doesn't measure up to In Bruges; or Calvary.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:23 pm to Tigris
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It was the bartender, you can see a bandage on his hand afterwards in a couple of scenes so it's really just hinted at. There were several people pissed at the priest so the death of the dog was not inconsistent or surprising (Calvary is one of my favorites in recent years). The behavior of the guy from Idaho just made no sense.
Three Billboards is good but it just doesn't measure up to In Bruges; or Calvary.
wow, you're the first person ive seen who has also watched Calvary. It's a great movie. Been a few years since I watched, I didnt remember the bandage
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Three Billboards is good but it just doesn't measure up to In Bruges; or Calvary.
I'm with you on this
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:59 pm to wildtigercat93
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A movie has never so successfully pulled every emotion in completely different directions so suddenly as this one did
You go from laughing, to shocked, to choking up.
Woody killing himself in the middle of the movie was such a WOW moment and the movie really took off from there
Sam Rockwell was unbelievable
I agree about the wife's accent. WTF was that. Seemed so out of place.
The twist that the guy isn't the rapist was so great. Like they gave you the wrapped up nice ending and then just took it right out from under you, making you feel exactly how the mother felt all those years. Great writing
literally said the same thing to the folks i discussed the film with the next day ...
i'm not sure what the suicide note had to do with the story, other than to develop harrelson's character, but that was as authentic a situation as i've ever seen in film ... brutally emotional, then you're taken in a completely different direction a minute later with dixon's music ...
Posted on 12/11/17 at 9:27 am to jackwoods4
We saw a double feature of Lady Bird and Three Billboards this weekend. Three Billboards did not disappoint. Rarely do I see a film and have it live up to every expectation.
So many amazing, nuanced performances. To see Rockwell start out as pure scum and then end up caring about him. Jesus Christ.
And what is it with McDonagh and "midgets"?
So many amazing, nuanced performances. To see Rockwell start out as pure scum and then end up caring about him. Jesus Christ.
And what is it with McDonagh and "midgets"?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:09 am to Fewer Kilometers
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So many amazing, nuanced performances. To see Rockwell start out as pure scum and then end up caring about him. Jesus Christ.
Rockwell is criminally underrated. As the "lead" - and my 2 examples are Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Moon - he does not have leading man looks or any sort of discernible "natural" charm or charisma (at least over any other ordinary person), but put him in the lead and his acting ability just takes over and he can ACT like he does have that sort of charm or charisma.
His timing is, basically, perfect (and he does this consistently, regardless of director). He uses his entire body to act - no awkwardness (unless the part calls for it) or wasted motion.
When he's in support - whether that's something crazy like Hitchhiker's Guide, or steps above bit parts like Green Mile or Galaxy Quest - he usually steals the scenes he's in.
He's every bit the actor that PSH was, and doesn't get nearly the accolades.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 3:40 pm to Ace Midnight
Got a chance to see this movie last night. Was the best movie I've seen in a long time
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