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THR - How 'Revenge of the Sith' Almost Broke 'Star Wars'
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:53 am
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Fifteen years after 'Episode III' hit theaters, the film remains a cautionary tale that offers lessons for the future of the franchise.
Star Wars: Episode III - The Revenge of the Sith is a film at war with itself. Director and co-writer George Lucas delivered his capper to the prequel trilogy 15 years ago on May 19, 2005, to much deserved fanfare as audiences were able to see the final, tragic turns Anakin (Hayden Christensen) would take on his way to becoming Darth Vader and taking his place on the Dark Side.
In hindsight, and long after the rush of opening night has faded, Sith is arguably the movie that broke Star Wars. Like the other two prequels, it suffers from clunky narrative choices and problematic character drama that the original trilogy does not, choices that are seemingly features and not bugs of Lucas’ emotionally flat prequel experiment.
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Which is a shame, especially as this was the chapter intended to pack the most emotional punch: the one that finally pitted Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor) against padawan and friend Anakin Skywalker. Their epic lightsaber battle on Mustafar should, on paper, have been rivaled only by the emotional drama and betrayal that ignited their Jedi weapons to begin with. Instead, one of the most tragic chapters of the saga is undone largely by flat or wooden performances servicing an over-reliance of CG eye candy (that final battle plays out like confidently executed pre-viz stitched together instead of a riveting, tension-building set piece). Despite seemingly having finally, comfortably settled into the role and making it his own, McGregor feels especially lost, or acting in a different film; he seems to be overcompensating for what the script denied him: something worth playing.
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:00 am to RLDSC FAN
Bad script, bad delivery..no one gave a shite about the antagonists. Maul should have been a presence through the prequels after doing what he did to obi wan and qui gon. Giving us insight on maul plus making us care more about obi Wan's story, which would have probably been the most interesting. Since they brought the character back later anyways.
God forbid character depth though..just worry about anakin being an emo..And nobody healthy in their early 20s dies from a broken heart directly after giving birth. She didnt love her children?
God forbid character depth though..just worry about anakin being an emo..And nobody healthy in their early 20s dies from a broken heart directly after giving birth. She didnt love her children?
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:04 am to RLDSC FAN
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Almost Broke Star Wars
As a part of TLJ damage control, Ruin & shills tried to argue that ESB was both divisive upon it's release in 1980 and that it "Would have been roasted" if it had been released today.
I guess they're aiming for an easier target now.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:06 am to SEClint
Honestly a big missed opportunity and a no brainer for Anakin to turn to the Dark Side was for him to actually murder Mace Windu, not just cut off his hand to "save Padme". Have Mace find out about Anakin and Padme's relationship at the end of Episode II, Anakin gets kicked out of the Jedi Order as a result, and Palpatine takes Anakin into his own personal service. In Episode III Palpatine tips off both Anakin and Mace to a time and place where Maul will be. Anakin would then use the opportunity to kill Mace and try to frame Maul for doing it. Anakin kills them both, but is caught by Ahsoka. He can't bring himself to kill her, so she escapes alerting the few remaining living Jedi.
Just a three way duel between Anakin, Mace, and Maul was such a missed opportunity for Anakin to definitively turn to the dark side.
Just a three way duel between Anakin, Mace, and Maul was such a missed opportunity for Anakin to definitively turn to the dark side.
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:11 am to SEClint
I have never understood the Star Wars fans’ obsession with minor characters from the movies. This includes Maul and Boba Fett.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:16 am to OMLandshark
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Just a three way duel between Anakin, Mace, and Maul was such a missed opportunity for Anakin to definitively turn to the dark side.
Unless maul escapes after being defeated and continues his path on to being a crime boss to reappear again, obi wan would have to be involved in that fight. To end the trilogy without them squaring off again in 3 (had he escaped in 1) would feel like a missed opportunity. Maybe Anakin chooses to kill Mace..but spares a defeated Maul after feeling a kindred anger.
Often wondered how it would have been if Maul had killed obi wan and qui gon, then took anakin as a boy and intensely trained him into a man.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:20 am to RLDSC FAN
Revenge of the Sith is miles and miles better than Attack of the Clones and Phantom Menance.
Never got the hate for it.
Never got the hate for it.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:22 am to RollTide1987
quote:wasted potential that the fans realise. Fans can tell the difference, it's obvious there was so much more to Maul and Boba.
I have never understood the Star Wars fans’ obsession with minor characters from the movies. This includes Maul and Boba Fett.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:28 am to SEClint
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I have never understood the Star Wars fans’ obsession with minor characters from the movies. This includes Maul and Boba Fett.
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wasted potential that the fans realise. Fans can tell the difference, it's obvious there was so much more to Maul and Boba.
James Dean and Marilyn Monroe syndrome.
Characters are killed off before they have a chance to age and have normal highs and lows. People assume that they had a life of pure awesomeness ahead of them.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:31 am to RLDSC FAN
all of the recent sequels did more damage because they rendered the original trilogy meaningless
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:34 am to RLDSC FAN
The recent movies are far worse than anything from the original six.
I enjoyed all of those.
I enjoyed all of those.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:40 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Characters are killed off before they have a chance to age and have normal highs and lows. People assume that they had a life of pure awesomeness ahead of them.
Marilyn monroe and James dean didnt have facial tattoos and multi kills. And tbh yeah, I'd have liked more james dean films. Guy had a lot of potential.
I'm more concerned with how they got to where they were. Right hand to palpatine and enriched with sith training since a boy is an interesting story to me.
Far more than trade talk
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:18 pm to RollTide1987
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have never understood the Star Wars fans’ obsession with minor characters from the movies. This includes Maul and Boba Fett.
Maul isn’t a minor character according to Dave Filoni
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:37 pm to Proximo
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Maul isn’t a minor character according to Dave Filoni
Maul should have been the arch villain in the Disney sequels. He had his crime syndicate and is a beloved and guy. After the death of Palpatine and Vader Maul could have reestablished himself as the Sith Master and raised hell. Luke and Leia could have brought back a new generation of Jedi and their offspring could have had the batons passed on to them for the next generation.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:38 pm to RollTide1987
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I have never understood the Star Wars fans’ obsession with minor characters from the movies. This includes Maul and Boba Fett.
You must have had a shite childhood.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:39 pm to RollTide1987
Maul Hysteria is a product of the intense marketing campaign that featured him incessantly yet only gave him 6 minutes of screen time.
Boba Fett just looked awesome and was mysterious. He had some cool toys. Even in the 90’s, his action figure was still one of the most valuable
Boba Fett just looked awesome and was mysterious. He had some cool toys. Even in the 90’s, his action figure was still one of the most valuable
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:29 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Their epic lightsaber battle on Mustafar should, on paper, have been rivaled only by the emotional drama and betrayal that ignited their Jedi weapons to begin with. Instead, one of the most tragic chapters of the saga is undone largely by flat or wooden performances servicing an over-reliance of CG eye candy (that final battle plays out like confidently executed pre-viz stitched together instead of a riveting, tension-building set piece).
Big time disagree on this take. I think Anakin vs. Obi Wan is the best lightsaber battle in ANY of the movies by far.
Maul vs. Qui Gon and Obi Wan was cool, but Anakin vs. Obi Wan was the best choreographed and actually had the feel of 2 very powerful Jedi clashing for the fate of the galaxy. I also think it created excellent tension, with all of the lava and shite flying everywhere.
"You underestimate my powerrrr" was the only part of that fight I didn't like.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:30 pm to alajones
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Maul Hysteria is a product of the intense marketing campaign that featured him incessantly yet only gave him 6 minutes of screen time.
He was top 3 the best character introduced in the past 6 star wars films. Ray Park is still a beast. Talking and dialog could have came later..as it has.
1st film should have been let his fighting speak for him, which it did. Duel of fates is legit. Following films should have allowed him to evolve.
Had that happened and allowed Obi Wan to have that conflict out there over the prequels..the Kenobi series with Park and McGregor would be white hot.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 1:37 pm to Bluefin
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but Anakin vs. Obi Wan was the best choreographed
Except for the whole floating 1 foot over molten liquid, the way large objects defied physics in it and the taking of the high-ground..
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:01 pm to SEClint
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Except for the whole floating 1 foot over molten liquid, the way large objects defied physics in it and the taking of the high-ground..
That whole movie was garbage, especially that scene. "I have the high ground....which apparently is only now a thing considering we've been doing backflips 50' in the air and bouncing on floating lava pads."
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