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re: The Shape Of Water
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:04 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:04 pm to LuckyTiger
Bump because whoo boy, this movie was a trip. Don’t think this is spoily, since the jist of the plot is pretty well known.
There were parts - one big one being Alexandre Desplat’s whimsical score - that almost felt like a Tim Burton joint, and I don’t mean that in a bad way.
I liked that Del Toro hit the ground running on establishing Elisa’s sympathetic and passionate character, it helped to somewhat buy in on the quick (and weirdly graphic) love affair that bloomed with her & the “Asset”.
Del Toro seems to like casting real life physically imposing folks like Elba and Pearlman to walk amongst his monsters and Shannon works expectedly great in this role.
Creature-wise, and this isn’t a sizzling hot take, the creature was visually pretty much the egg-craving Abe Sapien and I wasn’t blown away - but Guillermo set some crazy high standards.
As an overall movie, not my favorite Del Toro, but again, he set some crazy high standards.
* actual kind of spoilers on the ending
I liked the twist. The film kind of preps you to believe anything & everything by that point, and it was a nice long play setup. imo
There were parts - one big one being Alexandre Desplat’s whimsical score - that almost felt like a Tim Burton joint, and I don’t mean that in a bad way.
I liked that Del Toro hit the ground running on establishing Elisa’s sympathetic and passionate character, it helped to somewhat buy in on the quick (and weirdly graphic) love affair that bloomed with her & the “Asset”.
Del Toro seems to like casting real life physically imposing folks like Elba and Pearlman to walk amongst his monsters and Shannon works expectedly great in this role.
Creature-wise, and this isn’t a sizzling hot take, the creature was visually pretty much the egg-craving Abe Sapien and I wasn’t blown away - but Guillermo set some crazy high standards.
As an overall movie, not my favorite Del Toro, but again, he set some crazy high standards.
* actual kind of spoilers on the ending
I liked the twist. The film kind of preps you to believe anything & everything by that point, and it was a nice long play setup. imo
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 8:49 pm
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:24 pm to Backinthe615
I was underwhelmed. I didn't think it was a bad movie, but I don't think it is as great as del Toro's top tier stuff like Pan's Labyrinth or Hellboy. I felt most of the movie was just playing homage to other movies, which is cool, but didn't blow me away.
Michael Shannon was great, as always, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen from him before. The script was almost "Let Michael Shannon do Michael Shannon things". The sea monster felt like a rehash of Abe Sapien. And really, it felt somewhat like The Little Mermaid with the roles reversed.
I thought Richard Jenkins was the best thing about the movies, as he found new ways to be a loser throughout. Even his triumphant moments were punctuated with failure. Just a wonderful sad sack character. "I'm not very good at this!"
It was a pretty film and had a great score, so I can see what a lot of people see in it. Also, it's a love letter to old films, which is the best way to an Oscar voter's heart. I didn't dislike it, but I just wasn't as enamored as others.
I think its because I never really connected with the monster. He doesn't have that moment where he connects with the audience and we see what she sees in him. We're told what she sees, but he doesn't really DO much other than eat some eggs.
Michael Shannon was great, as always, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen from him before. The script was almost "Let Michael Shannon do Michael Shannon things". The sea monster felt like a rehash of Abe Sapien. And really, it felt somewhat like The Little Mermaid with the roles reversed.
I thought Richard Jenkins was the best thing about the movies, as he found new ways to be a loser throughout. Even his triumphant moments were punctuated with failure. Just a wonderful sad sack character. "I'm not very good at this!"
It was a pretty film and had a great score, so I can see what a lot of people see in it. Also, it's a love letter to old films, which is the best way to an Oscar voter's heart. I didn't dislike it, but I just wasn't as enamored as others.
I think its because I never really connected with the monster. He doesn't have that moment where he connects with the audience and we see what she sees in him. We're told what she sees, but he doesn't really DO much other than eat some eggs.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:35 pm to Baloo
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I think its because I never really connected with the monster. He doesn't have that moment where he connects with the audience and we see what she sees in him
A very big problem. The monster remains largely an object or an idea. It begins a victim and never really becomes a hero. The Big Merman deserved actual growth.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:54 pm to LuckyTiger
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The mousy mute woman has the sects with the fish man
quote:You're obviously racist
What a freak she turned out to be
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:27 pm to molsusports
He doesn't even have any agency in his own escape. Richard Jenkins is right in his initial argument, it's a thing. The movie lets the monster be a person when it needs to be, then excuses away bad behavior under the excuse that he is an animal. It wants to have it both ways.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:16 pm to Baloo
Totally agree, it was a disconnect that hurt the movie.
Also agree on Jenkins, he always seems to deliver quality roles.
Also agree on Jenkins, he always seems to deliver quality roles.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:19 pm to LuckyTiger
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It’s always the quiet ones.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:08 pm to Baloo
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I was underwhelmed. I didn't think it was a bad movie, but I don't think it is as great as del Toro's top tier stuff like Pan's Labyrinth or Hellboy.
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I think its because I never really connected with the monster. He doesn't have that moment where he connects with the audience and we see what she sees in him. We're told what she sees, but he doesn't really DO much other than eat some eggs.
Agree 100%. Those were exactly my thoughts after seeing it
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:38 pm to Baloo
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I think its because I never really connected with the monster. He doesn't have that moment where he connects with the audience and we see what she sees in him. We're told what she sees, but he doesn't really DO much other than eat some eggs.
But isn't that every time a friend gets a new boy/girlfriend and you don't see what all the fuss is about? You have to take their word for it, and assume if they say they're happy - then by God, they're happy.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:33 pm to Brosef Stalin
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quote: The mousy mute woman has the sects with the fish man.
This is all I need to know to sell me on this movie
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:40 pm to LuckyTiger
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What a freak she turned out to be. It’s always the quiet ones
She did start every morning by flicking the bean in the bathtub.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:09 pm to AshLSU
I saw it this weekend. I hated the scene where she dreamed they were lala land dancing, it was really cheesy. Also, I was willing to go along with everything being believable except for the part where she used a towel to cover the bathroom door ao she could fill the room with water. There’s no way that could happen in real life. I thought the cinematography was beautiful. It was quirky and strange to watch a fish man and mute woman have a relationship but I fully supported Splash and The little mermaid...so I should just get over the weirdness. Somebody told me today this was a political movie and I just did not get that feeling at all.
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