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“The Right Stuff” >>>>>>>>> “First Man”
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:30 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:30 am
Just finished “First Man”. It was a little too much emotional and less technical/testosterone filled than “The Right Stuff”.
I would even put “Apollo 13” over “First Man”.
I would even put “Apollo 13” over “First Man”.
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:33 am to theantiquetiger
Strong thread.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:58 am to theantiquetiger
I personally like Apollo 13 more, but Im a big Ron Howard fan.
I did love First Man though. I loved seeing the story based more on Armstrongs experience leading up to and during the mission
I did love First Man though. I loved seeing the story based more on Armstrongs experience leading up to and during the mission
Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:27 am to theantiquetiger
I liked all 3. Apollo 13 is my favorite for nostalgic reasons.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:40 am to theantiquetiger
The Right Stuff is fantastic and set the bar real high. It’s just great storytelling. It shows flaws and glory in a grand epic sweeping brush.
First Man...if ever the phrase “it insists upon itself” could be used seriously then it fits First Man. It’s a movie that thinks it’s better than it actually is. There’s just an air of false superiority and presumptuousness about it.
It does not come close to telling it’s story as well as The Right Stuff tells it’s story.
First Man...if ever the phrase “it insists upon itself” could be used seriously then it fits First Man. It’s a movie that thinks it’s better than it actually is. There’s just an air of false superiority and presumptuousness about it.
It does not come close to telling it’s story as well as The Right Stuff tells it’s story.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:40 am to theantiquetiger
The Right Stuff is the GOAT space program movie.
Is First Man the one where they left out the American flag because Orange Man bad?
Is First Man the one where they left out the American flag because Orange Man bad?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:24 am to bamaboy87
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I did love First Man though. I loved seeing the story based more on Armstrongs experience leading up to and during the mission
Haven't seen FM, but I am concerned it won't have any sassy black math women in it.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 7:13 am to theantiquetiger
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would even put “Apollo 13” over “First Man”.
Even? I would have been shocked had it been better than Apollo 13.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:01 am to theantiquetiger
Not fair comparison. The Right Stuff was an 80s masterpiece and part of the historical epic movie collection.
Why was it great, it was a factual tale with fictional drama wrapped around and void of current politics.
That is how you make a movie Hollywood.
Why was it great, it was a factual tale with fictional drama wrapped around and void of current politics.
That is how you make a movie Hollywood.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:27 am to theantiquetiger
Frankly, it's tough to cover this kind of material in a feature film.
Before the whole Saving Private Ryan -> Band of Brothers project, Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Tom Hanks did a similar thing with Apollo 13 -> From the Earth to the Moon. And the television series (HBO) was outstanding.
Just as with BoB later, they were able to draw really top tier film and television actors to the project - Ted Levine, Mark Harmon, Bryan Cranston (admittedly before he was a superstar), Dave Foley, Stephen Root, Dan Butler, etc.
And, as with anything those guys do, it was extraordinarily well researched and done. Any interested in the source material who hasn't seen it should do so ASAFP.
Before the whole Saving Private Ryan -> Band of Brothers project, Ron Howard, Brian Grazer and Tom Hanks did a similar thing with Apollo 13 -> From the Earth to the Moon. And the television series (HBO) was outstanding.
Just as with BoB later, they were able to draw really top tier film and television actors to the project - Ted Levine, Mark Harmon, Bryan Cranston (admittedly before he was a superstar), Dave Foley, Stephen Root, Dan Butler, etc.
And, as with anything those guys do, it was extraordinarily well researched and done. Any interested in the source material who hasn't seen it should do so ASAFP.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Is First Man the one where they left out the American flag because Orange Man bad?
The flag is shown in the film. They just don't depict the planting.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:45 am to theantiquetiger
First Man gets better with repeated viewings, but it's still not on par with the likes of The Right Stuff and Apollo 13. You got the sense from the latter films that the filmmaker was in love with the story he was telling. While Chazelle is an excellent filmmaker, he doesn't seem to have the same love for the material that Howard and Kaufman displayed.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:07 am to RollTide1987
The Right Stuff is one of the greatest films ever made, so yeah. But that's no knock on First Man, that's just a realization that The Right Stuff is close to a perfect movie.
It's also trying to do something different: First Man is a focused look at one guy, Neil Armstrong, not the space program itself. And, hoo boy, did they set themselves up with one of the single most impenetrable human beings to walk the planet. He takes emotional repression to new extremes, and by all accounts, that is an accurate portrayal.
I think where it's better than The Right Stuff is in its depiction of the women, who realize their power and leverage it against NASA. Apollo 13 was also real good about this. But I think where First Man really suceeds is stressing just how dangerous this was and the human costs. The Right stuff sort of nods at it, and Apollo 13 builds tension as it moves along, but First Man is the only one of the three to really show how death hung over everything like a specter. There is a parade of death, and you feel for the characters who died. Even in Apollo 13, Apollo 1 is a distant memory and Tom Hanks solemnly nods his head about it and why it couldn't happen again. In First Man, you not only see them die, they had been built up as characters in the film, and then you had to experience the funeral and see people grieve their loss.
This leads to the scene at the kitchen table where Neil's wife forces him to talk to the kids about how he might not come back. And boy, warmth was not Neil's middle name. Apollo 13 is a disaster film that focuses on triumph, notably in Ed Harris. First Man is a story of triumph that focuses on the obstacles.
It's also trying to do something different: First Man is a focused look at one guy, Neil Armstrong, not the space program itself. And, hoo boy, did they set themselves up with one of the single most impenetrable human beings to walk the planet. He takes emotional repression to new extremes, and by all accounts, that is an accurate portrayal.
I think where it's better than The Right Stuff is in its depiction of the women, who realize their power and leverage it against NASA. Apollo 13 was also real good about this. But I think where First Man really suceeds is stressing just how dangerous this was and the human costs. The Right stuff sort of nods at it, and Apollo 13 builds tension as it moves along, but First Man is the only one of the three to really show how death hung over everything like a specter. There is a parade of death, and you feel for the characters who died. Even in Apollo 13, Apollo 1 is a distant memory and Tom Hanks solemnly nods his head about it and why it couldn't happen again. In First Man, you not only see them die, they had been built up as characters in the film, and then you had to experience the funeral and see people grieve their loss.
This leads to the scene at the kitchen table where Neil's wife forces him to talk to the kids about how he might not come back. And boy, warmth was not Neil's middle name. Apollo 13 is a disaster film that focuses on triumph, notably in Ed Harris. First Man is a story of triumph that focuses on the obstacles.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:57 am to theantiquetiger
I haven't seen First Man yet (but read the book which is awesome).
The Right Stuff is what sparked my interest in studying the history of the space program. Apollo 13 and the From the Earth to the Moon series are (so far) the standard I hold other space movies to (at least ones about actual space programs, not Armageddon type shite).
If you are interested in spaceflight movies, a little movie gem that I love from Australia is "The Dish." If you ever come across it, it is worth the watch (several watches actually.)
The Right Stuff is what sparked my interest in studying the history of the space program. Apollo 13 and the From the Earth to the Moon series are (so far) the standard I hold other space movies to (at least ones about actual space programs, not Armageddon type shite).
If you are interested in spaceflight movies, a little movie gem that I love from Australia is "The Dish." If you ever come across it, it is worth the watch (several watches actually.)
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:22 am to theantiquetiger
I haven't seen First Man, but you're right; Right Stuff is a great movie. It used to play on HBO all the time when I was a kid. My favorite storyline is the one dealing with Chuck Yeager and his dealing with no longer being the fastest human alive.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:22 pm to Baloo
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The Right stuff sort of nods at it, and Apollo 13 builds tension as it moves along, but First Man is the only one of the three to really show how death hung over everything like a specter.
Have to strongly disagree.
From Yeager and most of the astronauts talking about death, to the wives talking about it where one of them breaks down, to the numerous missing man flyovers at funerals of dead pilots, to the recurring appearance of the death news delivery guy, to the nailing of the portraits of dead guys on the wall of the saloon, to the massive concern and open discussion of whether Glenn would burn up on re entry, the real possibility and spectre of death is all over The Right Stuff.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:40 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:It was. It premiered at the Air and Space museum in DC. I got to meet Tom Hanks for the first time and also Buzz Aldrin, who seemed like kind of a dick.
From the Earth to the Moon. And the television series (HBO) was outstanding.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:02 pm to blueboy
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Buzz Aldrin, who seemed like kind of a dick.
One of the reasons why I am glad someone like Neil Armstrong was the first to walk on the Moon.
If Buzz can be such a dick for being the second man to walk on the Moon, imagine how big of a dick he would be had be been first.
His second wife has a lot to do with it; she made Buzz see the potential $$$. Still, kudos to him for slugging Bart Sibrel.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Is First Man the one where they left out the American flag because Orange Man bad?
They also left out that Neal and Buzz held communion before exiting the craft.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:39 pm to theantiquetiger
In First Man I thought the various scenes in the spacecrafts and all that were phenomenal. Really felt like you were in there with them and showed how crazy it must have been to be sitting in one of those things
But the rest of the movie felt a little flat and cold at times. Still worth watching just for the space scenes alone. And no, they didn’t cut the flag out of the movie. They show the flag quite a few times actually, you just don’t see the physical planting of the flag.
But the rest of the movie felt a little flat and cold at times. Still worth watching just for the space scenes alone. And no, they didn’t cut the flag out of the movie. They show the flag quite a few times actually, you just don’t see the physical planting of the flag.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 8:41 pm
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