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re: The myth that there are no original movies.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:02 am to athenslife101
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:02 am to athenslife101
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It’s bullshite.
I listen to a podcast that discusses ever new movie released to theaters in Los Angles. It’s up to 35 movies a week being released.
IMBD has almost 5000 movies being released in 2019. I just spent an hour watching trailers and there’s a bunch of original movies.
And the public knows about how many of them? Or is able to watch how many of those 5,000?
I dont think many people say that movies aren't being made. But they sure ain't going to your local theater that's for sure.
5,000 movies were made and %95 of them are show in a local artsy theatre that nobody will ever be able to see or know. Wow, I bet they are so original, that's awesome, the 300 local people that will get to see them are so lucky. It's really a pretty useless and stupid stat.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:06 am to athenslife101
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The myth that there are no original movies.
It’s bullshite.
I think you know what people mean when they say that there are no original movies. You just want to be different by arguing it.
When people say there are no original movies, they are saying that there are no original movies with wide long-term theater releases anymore.
For example, I didn't even know Hell or High Water existed until the Oscar nominations were released that year. Same with movies like Whiplash or Brooklyn.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:22 am to GetCocky11
Exactly. There are original movies out there, it's just so few of them get wide releases in the theater. In this day and age, all of the major summer releases are franchise films. Remakes and reboots also take up a lot of space on the wide release calendar. Most of the original, Oscar bait films get limited releases at the end of the year. You have to go all the way back to 2009 to find a film that finished #1 at the yearly box office that wasn't adapted from a book/comic book or part of an existing franchise.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:01 am to GetCocky11
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For example, I didn't even know Hell or High Water existed until the Oscar nominations were released that year. Same with movies like Whiplash or Brooklyn.
I saw all three in the theater, well before they were nominated.
It's not that there aren't original or non-franchise movies out there. It's that the majority of the promotional dollars go to the franchise films. That, and we now have HBO, Showtime, Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu in the production and distribution business. If anything we have more films being produced, but the franchise films get the promotional buzz.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:24 am to Fewer Kilometers
I'm wondering how people in here find out about films outside of TV commercials.
For me...
I find out about them in here.
I check a couple of movie and entertainment sites each day.
I follow a few favorite critics on social media.
We listen to Fresh Air and a couple of other NPR shows that champion good independent movies.
We go to the movies each weekend, so we check our movie apps to see what's playing. If there's a Hell or High Water or a Brooklyn playing, we check online to see what it's about.
If you like movies, it's not difficult to keep tabs on what's out there. If anything we get pissed because we know about films that are late in getting to Baton Rouge or only play for a night or two at the Manship.
Before the internet, you checked the newspaper to see what was playing. Every film didn't have a TV campaign. We saw My Favorite Year and Diner in the theaters without knowing a thing about them.
For me...
I find out about them in here.
I check a couple of movie and entertainment sites each day.
I follow a few favorite critics on social media.
We listen to Fresh Air and a couple of other NPR shows that champion good independent movies.
We go to the movies each weekend, so we check our movie apps to see what's playing. If there's a Hell or High Water or a Brooklyn playing, we check online to see what it's about.
If you like movies, it's not difficult to keep tabs on what's out there. If anything we get pissed because we know about films that are late in getting to Baton Rouge or only play for a night or two at the Manship.
Before the internet, you checked the newspaper to see what was playing. Every film didn't have a TV campaign. We saw My Favorite Year and Diner in the theaters without knowing a thing about them.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:32 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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but when your local Cinema chain is showing Avengers on 3 different screens...
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And since these movies aren't in movie theaters, they get no buzz and you have to find out about them long after the fact on DVD.
This has always been the case. Probably the best example is Shawshank, a total failure at the box office that became one of the most loved movies of all time because of repeated showings on cable and the rental market
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:40 am to H-Town Tiger
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And since these movies aren't in movie theaters, they get no buzz and you have to find out about them long after the fact on DVD.
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This has always been the case. Probably the best example is Shawshank, a total failure at the box office that became one of the most loved movies of all time because of repeated showings on cable and the rental market
Shawshank was released in September against zero competition. Pulp Fiction was released two weeks prior. I'm not sure what mega-franchise would've been taking up all of the screens in September of 94.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:02 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Shawshank was released in September against zero competition. Pulp Fiction was released two weeks prior. I'm not sure what mega-franchise would've been taking up all of the screens in September of 94.
Sigh I always forget on the Internet you have to completely everything.
It has always been the case that some movies don’t get a lot play/buzz in theaters. It’s NOT ALWAYS been because some mega release was hogging all the screens at the time.
ETA: there were still far fewer screens in 1994
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:46 am to H-Town Tiger
Right now, within 15 minutes of my home in the Dallas suburbs, I can go see WIDOWS, THE FAVOURITE, AT ETERNITY'S GATE, THE FRONT RUNNER, BOY ERASED, THE WIFE, ANNA AND THE APOCALYPSE, or CAN YOU FORGIVE ME?
Those aren't small-budget indie films. They starred some of the biggest names in Hollywood and in a previous era, they would have done big business and all been shoo in Oscar contenders.
The problem is that audiences don't support these movies. So theaters dedicate 5 screens to RALPH BREAKS THE INTERNET (which was really good, too!). But there are plenty of original movies being made for adults. Hell, even if they don't come to a theater near you, you can catch them on VOD. Right now, you can go see Joaquin Phoenix in YOU WERE NEVER REALLY HERE or catch last year's acclaimed Oscar nominee LADY BIRD on Amazon Prime.
Those aren't small-budget indie films. They starred some of the biggest names in Hollywood and in a previous era, they would have done big business and all been shoo in Oscar contenders.
The problem is that audiences don't support these movies. So theaters dedicate 5 screens to RALPH BREAKS THE INTERNET (which was really good, too!). But there are plenty of original movies being made for adults. Hell, even if they don't come to a theater near you, you can catch them on VOD. Right now, you can go see Joaquin Phoenix in YOU WERE NEVER REALLY HERE or catch last year's acclaimed Oscar nominee LADY BIRD on Amazon Prime.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:08 pm to athenslife101
quote:Stopped right here
I listen to a podcast
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:14 pm to Baloo
quote:My guess is that most people will watch the traditional films at home on their big screen TVs and only venture to the theaters for the mega-franchise films that are more impressive on the movie screen. The screen size, plus folks want to avoid spoilers for the franchises that they've invested in. If you wait a year to see Avengers: Endgame, you will have heard about the entire film. Not so much when it's a smaller self-contained film.
The problem is that audiences don't support these movies.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:33 pm to athenslife101
Just like with music, you have to go looking for it in a way you didn’t in years gone by but it’s out there if you put in a little effort
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Just like with music, you have to go looking for it in a way you didn’t in years gone by but it’s out there if you put in a little effort
This is the comparison that occurred to me as well. There's greater diversity overall, but the most mainstream routes have constricted to the most popular entertainment.
That's market driven. Movie theaters and the radio are appealing to smaller audiences overall, so they run what makes money. The consumer has a lot of choices though. There are a lot of platforms for smaller movies that didn't exist 10 years ago.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:32 pm to athenslife101
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That is a failure of a business though. And that’s why movie theaters are doing bad financially
It's a failure of business in what way? The major studios are going to pump their money into money makers. Money makers are well established franchises that can be adapted from other media or rebooted or piggybacked on. There is no money in original blockbusters anymore. You can make all the $5MM movies you want. And you might make money on them and they'll be original. But you won't see them at the theater and most people aren't connected to film like you are. I would venture to say that few people listen to the podcast you are referring to.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:04 pm to Rep520
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This is the comparison that occurred to me as well. There's greater diversity overall, but the most mainstream routes have constricted to the most popular entertainment.
The mainstream gets worse and worse, but its easier than ever to walk off the mainstream path. Seems like a fair trade. It's not even hard to find off the path music and movies. It's nowhere near like it was in the 80s and 90s, when you'd have to see stuff sight unseen, with no idea what you were getting.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 3:22 pm to Baloo
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The mainstream gets worse and worse, but its easier than ever to walk off the mainstream path. Seems like a fair trade. It's not even hard to find off the path music and movies. It's nowhere near like it was in the 80s and 90s, when you'd have to see stuff sight unseen, with no idea what you were getting.
Exactly. I listened to a podcast with Ed Burns. Dude makes tons of movies with low budgets that he can sell to VOD companies or other similar outlets and they turn profits. They're his original material.
You can find it by simply googling Ed Burns. I'm sure there's a movie generator based on your interests that you can use online. Hell, there's one on Netflix and Prime.
But those aren't what Warner Bros. is putting out for the most part. Comedies and horror films don't need as much capital but remain popular, so they can get wider releases for smaller studios or are less of a risk for bigger studios. That's where a lot of "mainstream" originality is located. And even there, a ton of horror is derivative or sequels. So, you're still seeing the same problem. But studios are scared of a fickle audience. They need to make money. shite, it wasn't long ago that Disney was in dire financial straits, but now they're basically printing money.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 3:45 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 12/10/18 at 4:19 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Comedies and horror films don't need as much capital but remain popular, so they can get wider releases for smaller studios or are less of a risk for bigger studios.
Which might explain why we are in a Golden Age of horror. If you're a horror fan (which I am), the past decade has been a bonanza. Do I care that GREEN ROOM or THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE didn't get huge mainstream success? Not really. They were popular enough for me to gain access to them. It was easier to see them than it was to see EVIL DEAD back in the 80s.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:14 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Exactly right. They aren’t advertised so we don’t even know they exist.
Then I think we found the problem. It’s not that they don’t exist, it’s that people don’t want to look for them (which is very easy to do)
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:17 pm to athenslife101
It's no myth.
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