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The Hobbits
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:27 am
There’s a lot I like and there’s a lot more I don’t.
Some of the fight/chase scenes went on way too damn long and we’re ridiculous ( the barrel scene, yikes)
I know this isn’t an original though but I was really looking to see if Anyone knows if there’s a fan edit that cuts out a lot of the cgi and combines the movies into one extended version?
Honestly I regret buying them and will try to stick to just LOTR
Some of the fight/chase scenes went on way too damn long and we’re ridiculous ( the barrel scene, yikes)
I know this isn’t an original though but I was really looking to see if Anyone knows if there’s a fan edit that cuts out a lot of the cgi and combines the movies into one extended version?
Honestly I regret buying them and will try to stick to just LOTR
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:50 am to MLSter
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:28 am to MLSter
The Hobbit is a simple fairy tale written for kids. But the studio decided it needed to make a mini LOTR trilogy instead. They should have left well enough alone if they couldn't put it all in one movie. 2, maybe, but all that stuff about Gandalf and the Necromancer... rubbish.
I didn't even bother watching the last movie.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:35 am to MLSter
This is one of Peter Jackson’s weaknesses as a filmmaker. If he thinks something works, he gives you too much of it, to the point of exhausting the viewer.
Action scenes became marathon events.
Acrobatics become ridiculously complex and unrealistic.
Falls become not just one fall but multiple falls.
A dozen bad guys? Not enough. We need three thousand of them.
Emotional endings become multiple emotional endings.
It’s not just the Hobbit either. See King Kong. I liked King Kong overall, but it’s one of the most exhausting movies out there... next to the Hobbits.
Action scenes became marathon events.
Acrobatics become ridiculously complex and unrealistic.
Falls become not just one fall but multiple falls.
A dozen bad guys? Not enough. We need three thousand of them.
Emotional endings become multiple emotional endings.
It’s not just the Hobbit either. See King Kong. I liked King Kong overall, but it’s one of the most exhausting movies out there... next to the Hobbits.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:40 am to MLSter
Those three movies are a perfect example of a few things:
-Greedy studio looking to stretch out a good one or two movie story to three in order to make more money.
-Greedy studio adding characters and story elements that never existed to; A) tie in beloved LOTR characters (Legolas), B) add a female hero to pander to woke feminism (Tauriel), C) add a love story because, well frick I don’t know.
-Gratuitous over use of CGI to the point that physics and believeability can just frick off
These shitass movies were a bigger disappointment to me than the Star Wars prequels and sequels.
Everything awesome about LOTR was mutated and exploited and overused to a ruinous end.
As much as I love Peter Jackson’s work on LOTR, you could tell by Return of the King that he was becoming too enamored with CGI and the super heroic, physics ignoring action scenes.
I own the LOTR series extended editions on DVD. Watched them straight through in a one day fantasy bonanza back in December. So great.
The Hobbit movies should be deleted from public knowledge and redone as a two part story that sticks to the fricking book.
-Greedy studio looking to stretch out a good one or two movie story to three in order to make more money.
-Greedy studio adding characters and story elements that never existed to; A) tie in beloved LOTR characters (Legolas), B) add a female hero to pander to woke feminism (Tauriel), C) add a love story because, well frick I don’t know.
-Gratuitous over use of CGI to the point that physics and believeability can just frick off
These shitass movies were a bigger disappointment to me than the Star Wars prequels and sequels.
Everything awesome about LOTR was mutated and exploited and overused to a ruinous end.
As much as I love Peter Jackson’s work on LOTR, you could tell by Return of the King that he was becoming too enamored with CGI and the super heroic, physics ignoring action scenes.
I own the LOTR series extended editions on DVD. Watched them straight through in a one day fantasy bonanza back in December. So great.
The Hobbit movies should be deleted from public knowledge and redone as a two part story that sticks to the fricking book.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 9:14 am to MLSter
Smaug scenes
Gollum scene
The only redeeming things from those movies, IMO
They had to nail those and they did. The rest was a CGI shite show and this is coming from a big fan of the universe
Gollum scene
The only redeeming things from those movies, IMO
They had to nail those and they did. The rest was a CGI shite show and this is coming from a big fan of the universe
Posted on 1/31/21 at 10:48 am to SpqrTiger
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It’s not just the Hobbit either. See King Kong. I liked King Kong overall, but it’s one of the most exhausting movies out there... next to the Hobbits.
The galloping sauropods was hard to watch. Physics of it alone was ridiculous. Then we saw that nonsense again in Jurassic World - Fallen Kingdom.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 10:50 am to SpqrTiger
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This is one of Peter Jackson’s weaknesses as a filmmaker. If he thinks something works, he gives you too much of it, to the point of exhausting the viewer.
Peter Jackson wasn’t the one who wanted to make it a trilogy. He wanted 2 movies, but the studio whored out. The scenes Jackson needed to get right he pulled off to perfection. The Unexpected Party, the trolls, Riddles in the Dark, Mirkwood Spiders, Bilbo meeting Smaug, Smaug’s death, and Thorin’s death were done pretty perfectly. He halfassed the scenes that didn’t matter because he only had a year to write and put into production the Hobbit trilogy, while Jackson had 3 years of preproduction to get the Lord of the Rings right.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 10:52 am to TygerTyger
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As much as I love Peter Jackson’s work on LOTR, you could tell by Return of the King that he was becoming too enamored with CGI and the super heroic, physics ignoring action scenes.
I want to say Viggo has relayed the same sentiment. He absolutely loved filming the Fellowship scenes, they were smaller, on real sets and locations with real stunt work. But as the filming went on and they got to some of the Two Towers and especially the ROTK scenes he said he got sad with the amount of CGI Jackson started to use and become obsessed with.
So glad he tapped out of the Hobbits with the simple answer of “Aragorn wasn’t in the fricking Hobbit Peter.”
Peter still had to throw that gay arse line in there with Thranduil telling Legolas to go find him. Such an eye roll scene.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 10:53 am to MLSter
I rewatched it after hating it the first time. Once I understood that the entire story was just something he wrote to entertain his 2 young kids, I tried to experience it differently. I definitely liked it better when I stopped comparing it to LoTR.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 10:57 am to TygerTyger
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A) tie in beloved LOTR characters (Legolas)
To be fair, Legolas in all likelihood was present for some events in the Hobbit.
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These shitass movies were a bigger disappointment to me than the Star Wars prequels and sequels.
The Hobbit trilogy doesn’t hurt Lord of the Rings itself though while both the prequels and the sequels hurt the Original Trilogy. There is nothing as bad as this in the Hobbit trilogy.
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As much as I love Peter Jackson’s work on LOTR, you could tell by Return of the King that he was becoming too enamored with CGI and the super heroic, physics ignoring action scenes.
Jackson didn’t really have much of a choice in the Hobbit though. With Lord of the Rings Jackson was making armor and masks for 3 years before the shooting began. He only had 1 year to do this with the Hobbit though, which is why the orcs and goblins are mostly digital.
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The Hobbit movies should be deleted from public knowledge and redone as a two part story that sticks to the fricking book.
All you need to do with the Hobbit is edit it. The only part in the fan edits you’d be confused about is why Smaug is covered in gold when he exits Erebor. The Hobbit can be salvaged.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:09 am to SpqrTiger
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This is one of Peter Jackson’s weaknesses as a filmmaker.
It was not his decision to make it 3 movies. He took over after the original director quit. And then the movies were way underfunded and behind schedule and without a cohesive written ending. He had to shoot before there was even a fully finished script. He was there to salvage and people wrongly think it was his idea and fault.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:22 am to MLSter
Lord of th rings is obviously better but the hobbit hate is weird. It’s a good little series of movies.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:40 am to Frac the world
In Peter Jackson's defense, the scale of events, the story did get ever larger from Fellowship to Return.
Smaller sets and real stunt work...less applicable for large battle scenes.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:45 am to The 22nd Doctor
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the hobbit hate is weird
I totally get it. The Hobbit wasn't LOTR, yet the studio tried to make it into that. It's one book, yet turned into another epic saga, a trilogy.
That's not The Hobbit.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:58 am to SpqrTiger
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If he thinks something works, he gives you too much of it, to the point of exhausting the viewer.
Agree. He exhausts you in King Kong. They should have let Guillermo del Toro make it; my guess is he pushed back too much on the studio bullshite and got canned.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:10 pm to The 22nd Doctor
Why the downvotes? Y’all are weird
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:09 am to Frac the world
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he got sad with the amount of CGI Jackson started to use and become obsessed with.
CGI gives the director so much control. I can see why someone would like the idea of cgi, instead of working with actors and production crews, but god in heaven ...
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He absolutely loved filming the Fellowship scenes, they were smaller, on real sets and locations with real stunt work.
And it's the best movie because of that.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:38 am to Lima Whiskey
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CGI gives the director so much control. I can see why someone would like the idea of cgi, instead of working with actors and production crews, but god in heaven ...
He literally didn’t have the time to not make it mostly CGI. They forged tens of thousands of pieces of armor for Lord of the Rings because he had 3 years of preproduction. He didn’t have that time with the Hobbit.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:45 am to VermilionTiger
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Smaug scenes
Gollum scene
The only redeeming things from those movies, IMO
Those were well done but so was the Unexpected Party and scenes with the Spiders of Mirkwood
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