The Dropout -- Elizabeth Holmes Docuseries -- Hulu

Amanda Seyfried does a great job as Elizabeth Holmes, but the real Elizabeth Holmes is still so much creepier than what is portrayed in the show. Those eyes and that voice make my skin crawl.

The podcast the show is based on is also pretty good. Season 2 of the podcast covers the actual trial which really adds another layer to the amount of fraud that was committed.

Seyfried does nothing for me looks wise, but she is fantastic in this role.

Holmes is a sociopath.

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Amanda Seyfried does a great job as Elizabeth Holmes, but the real Elizabeth Holmes is still so much creepier than what is portrayed in the show. Those eyes and that voice make my skin crawl.

The podcast the show is based on is also pretty good. Season 2 of the podcast covers the actual trial which really adds another layer to the amount of fraud that was committed.

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The series tries its best to humanize her to get your empathy by insinuating that she was sexually assaulted without ever actually making the accusation (assume this is for legal protection against libel). The show was "based" on a true story, but really really goes out of its way to make the audience think this chick was human when clearly she isn't.

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1. The series does not in any way imply she was sexually assaulted...unless you are talking about the podcast series and not the show. The show definitely doesn't.

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Yes, they literally do. They do it multiple times. There are actual discussions about it with her and her mother while she's still on campus. It comes up later in the series as a reason for why she's distant as if her mom told her to repress feelings. I don't recall that ever coming up in the podcast fwiw.

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2. I think the show finds the right balance. She is a sociopath, but she's not a monster. She didn't drop out of Stanford with the goal of defrauding investors. She had an idea, she pursued it, she tried to keep the money flowing in in hopes that the tech would at some point be ready, but the tech was just never going to be ready and so she was caught in a lie she couldn't get out of.

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Yeah, I don't fully agree with this either. The minute she brought her idea to the female professor and was told in no uncertain terms the idea couldn't be done she ignored it completely. Not because she knew she was right (she literally never had any tech which did what she wanted) but because she wanted to be the next Steve Jobs and be rich and famous as an inventor. All she ever had was an idea, like a child. "Wouldn't it be great if..." She had none of the tech which would have made any of it possible.

It would have been like saying you had an idea for a machine that replicate food out of nothing like on Star Trek...which would be great for world hunger, etc. but never having any idea how to do it, but getting investors to throw money at you and then showing them a machine that had an opening in the box that you shoved fried chicken into while you pressed some button on the front and made whirring noises.

ETA: Like I said...

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She dropped out in March 2004, at the age of 19.

However, The Dropout argues that another factor may have been at play when it came to Holmes leaving: her sexual assault at the hands of a fellow student in a fraternity house on the Stanford campus.

Per NPR, she contacted the police about this assault in October 2003, five months before she would drop out.

During her trial, Holmes herself also suggested a link between what happened to her and her decision to fully commit herself to Theranos.

She told the court: "I was raped when I was at Stanford...I was questioning how I was going to be able to process that experience and what I wanted to do with my life, and I decided that I was going to build a life by building this company."

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So this doesn't get missed:

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She dropped out in March 2004, at the age of 19.

However, The Dropout argues that another factor may have been at play when it came to Holmes leaving: her sexual assault at the hands of a fellow student in a fraternity house on the Stanford campus.

Per NPR, she contacted the police about this assault in October 2003, five months before she would drop out.

During her trial, Holmes herself also suggested a link between what happened to her and her decision to fully commit herself to Theranos.

She told the court: "I was raped when I was at Stanford...I was questioning how I was going to be able to process that experience and what I wanted to do with my life, and I decided that I was going to build a life by building this company."

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Like I said, this all happened in the show.

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Holmes is a sociopath

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She's a psychopath.

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A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether they have a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know we're doing something wrong.

A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience.If they lie to you so they can steal your money, they won’t feel any moral qualms, though they may pretend to

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They may observe others and then act the way they do so they aren't “found out".

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Creating a fake persona after observing Steve Jobs. Mimicking him.

The way she defended her case and defrauded people out of billions shows she doesn't care...but for herself.

She's classic narcissistic psychopathy.

Sociopaths know the difference between right and wrong.

Psychopaths have no sense of morality or empathy. She knew her fake blood testing would jeopardize the lives of millions and she didn't care.

I truly believe she believes she did nothing wrong.



That's a psychopath.

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Yes, they literally do. They do it multiple times. There are actual discussions about it with her and her mother while she's still on campus. It comes up later in the series as a reason for why she's distant as if her mom told her to repress feelings. I don't recall that ever coming up in the podcast fwiw.

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Okay, I guess they do.

But, honestly, these days literally EVERY female claims she's been sexually assaulted. It's like the cool thing for females to say. Given the surprisingly large percentage of actual criminal sexual assault claims that turn out to be completely made up, when a female casually drops that she was sexually assaulted in the past, I give such a statement about as much credibility as the jury gave Amber Heard.

The real shame of the #metoo movement is that it made it hip for females to claim they were sexually assaulted. That shiz shouldn't be played with.

Have they done the sentencing yet for those two?

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She told the court: "I was raped when I was at Stanford...I was questioning how I was going to be able to process that experience and what I wanted to do with my life, and I decided that I was going to build a life by building this company."

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Does anyone that knows anything about this woman put it past her to lie in order to gain sympathy?

I’m calling BS.