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Terminator Salvation Is Still The Best Non-T2 Sequel

Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:54 pm
Sure it wasn’t great and had some major problems but it was still better than the rest of the four sequels. Also it was the only logical conclusion of where to take the story next. The first three had built up this Great War of Humans vs Skynet with the humans getting the win with John leading them.

Genisys was a really bad reboot/what if of the first one, while DF tried to be edgy by offing John but then giving us T2 with a new John only this time a girl version en espanol
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:22 pm to
First upvote I’ve ever given to a dawgfan post interesante
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:35 pm to
Well said

Still don’t understand the Sam Worthington as a leading man push from that time period
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 9:36 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:37 pm to
Honestly I remember seeing this poster and thinking to myself: “Who the frick is this Sam Worthington guy to get equal billing as Christian Bale?!”



Sam Worthington had not ever even starred in an American movie before this, and he’s being headlined on the same level with Christian Bale straight out of the Dark Knight?! That had to piss Bale off when he saw the marketing. Who the frick is this piss ant? Oh he’s starting in James Cameron’s next film Avatar… I guess that’s why.

Sam Worthington is conclusive proof Satan exists. There’s no way he gets up to that level that quickly being equally billed as Christian Bale (one of the biggest and best actors and stars at the time) with pretty much no experience and then goes on to star in the highest grossing movie of all time. Sorry you sold your soul to Satan to be the star of the biggest blockbuster of all time… and then your career collapsed completely. That’s how Satan works, Sam, you dummy. Should have been more specific than saying “I want to be the star of the highest grossing film of all time.” Zoe Saldana thought it way more through than you did.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:38 pm to
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Still don’t understand the Sam Worthington as a leading man push from that time period


A) He literally sold his soul to Satan to star in the highest grossing film of all time.

B) Said highest grossing film was directed by James Cameron and he was The Godfather of this franchise.

Sam Worthington’s rise is dumbfounding outside of supernatural events being involved. It’s not like he was a Peter O’Toole or Christoph Waltz where the director happened to be at the right place right time to find him. The guy was a loser.

First film: 2 million dollars and 35% on RT (when that meant something).
Second film: Grossed $33 million on $70 million budget and had 5 minutes of screentime.
Third film: $5 million on $3 million budget
Fourth film: $2.1 million on $4 million budget
Fifth film: $908K on unknown budget
Sixth film: $10.8 million on $80 million budget
Seventh film: $230K on unknown budget
Eighth film: $4.6 million on $25 million budget
Ninth film: $371 million on $200 million budget (Terminator Salvation and his star power barely makes back the marketing costs)
Tenth film: $2.847 billion on $237 million budget

How is that possible he could ascend that high and have all that shite in his background and be an exceptionally shitty actor? I don’t think James Cameron is gay, so he didn’t sleep his way to the top. He’s completely talentless, so he didn’t just get discovered. The simplest answer is he sold his soul to Satan in a cruel joke. Pray for him because he’s going to need it since his career basically since Avatar has been as big of a joke as before it.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:49 pm to
Can you imagine Chris Hemsworth in that role in Salvation?
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:57 pm to
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Still don’t understand the Sam Worthington as a leading man push from that time period




Sam Worthington, Boyd Holbrook, Joel Edgerton, Joel Kinnamon, and Jai Courtney are interchangeable. I’d argue that Courtney and Holbrook would have struggled to pull the role off in Altered Carbon but that’s about it.

Put any of them in any other role and they’d their movies would be the same quality.

ETA: Salvation is incredibly mediocre for its cast but I agree it’s the third best film by a mile. Bale phoned that role in and I’m fairly disappointed. But it’s better than T3, Genasys, or Dark Fate by a lot.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted by USMCguy121
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:57 pm to
Hell yeah. Plus it was loaded with little callbacks to T2. Right down to John getting the T2 facial scar at the end.

Genisys was fricking stupid. Then they offed young john in a really shitty movie and the series can go frick itself.

For me, it's
T1 - T2 - T3 - Salvation. It, like Game of Thrones past season 6, is non canon and doesn't exist to me.

quote:

How is that possible he could ascend that high and have all that shite in his background and be an exceptionally shitty actor?

Starry Eyes was a fun movie.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:01 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:58 pm to
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Can you imagine Chris Hemsworth in that role in Salvation?


He’d be much better, but to be honest I’m a bit frustrated with Kevin Fiege not realizing that Hemsworth is actually funny until halfway through the MCU. Thor: The Dark World would have been much better if he realized this. This scene was improvised by Hemsworth for instance:


Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:08 pm to
Yeah. He was really funny in the first one, then they hammed him up too much as Shakespeare in the Park in Thor:DW and Avengers.

Ultron for its flaws let him have a bit more humor.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:12 pm to
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Ultron for its flaws let him have a bit more humor.


Yeah, cast isn’t at fault for that at all. I really think it was an overreaction to Man of Steel. Let it have a similar tone as Infinity War but more disturbing, could have been great.
Posted by Peter167
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:22 pm to
I hated this movie. I know my opinion won't be well received. But I liked the rev 9 splitting into 2. It's the best killing machine since T2. I didn't hate the storyline like I did the others either.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:25 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49220 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:09 am to
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didn't hate the storyline like I did the others either.

I just thought it was lazy basically killed of John so they could redo T2 with a new version of John only this time I couldn’t care for this girl
Posted by Dixie Normus
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:15 am to
I can’t argue with anything you said as inherently wrong, but god damn do you hate some Sam Worthington
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:59 am to
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That had to piss Bale off when he saw the marketing.

Likely not since Bale wasn't supposed to be a lead or have a major role and literally forced that into the movie, which is what screwed everything up.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:28 am to
There is no reason to watch any films in this franchise outside of the first 2.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:15 am to
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Sam Worthington is conclusive proof Satan exists
Hmmm, Salvation was directed by McG. Maybe he got the idea for The Babysitter from Sam Worthington?
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Terminator Salvation Is Still The Best Non-T2 Sequel

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Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:31 am to
I wish they would have continued the series.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:43 am to
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Genisys was a really bad reboot/what if of the first one


I found John Conner being turned into a Terminator to be both kind of cool and kind of annoying. The idea of humans being "assimilated" is kind of cool.
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