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re: Star Trek Picard: Episode 1 "Remembrance" is now streaming on CBS All Access
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:00 am to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:00 am to Fewer Kilometers
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There's a huge difference how Roddenberry handled social issues. He would cleverly insert social issues in a way that didn't take away from the intent of the show.
He literally painted characters half-black and half-white while discussing racism. These were not subtle messages.
That's a great example that I almost used. Since you mentioned it let's talk about it. In "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" if you remember the episode, the crew first met "Lokai", who was rescued and McCoy was perplexed by his skin color. It was initially discarded as a genetic fluke. It turns out he's on the run and later, "Commissioner Bele", played by the great Frank Gorshin shows up as a type of cop chasing Lokai. He has the same genetic fluke with his skin color. We are led to believe that Lokai is nothing more than a rebel or some type of political revolutionary trying to overthrow a government or something. The Audience doesn't get the racial component until much later in the episode that he is being hunted because his face his white or black on the wrong sides. Because these people don't look like any of us "monotones", we don't understand the bigotry. We later learn that the prejudice destroyed their world and end up at each others throats as a final act of hate..A genius episode!
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:09 am to GetCocky11
quote:Incorrect. The entire series of events is set off by Spock time traveling to the past and causing Romulus to be destroyed - in the first JJ movie.
The destruction of Romulus happened in the original timeline.
Then Spock and Nero went back in time
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:11 am to GetCocky11
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It isn't that hard to figure out.
It is apparently for you
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:13 am to blueboy
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The destruction of Romulus happened in the original timeline.
Then Spock and Nero went back in time
Incorrect. The entire series of events is set off by Spock time traveling to the past and causing Romulus to be destroyed - in the first JJ movie.
Bottom line is everything in the Star Trek Universe gt effed up in 2009 when JJ Trek took over. Nothing has been faithful to canon since then. What has happen is a series of blunders that they are trying to fix and making things worse.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:41 am to theGarnetWay
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I haven't watched the episode yet but as a Star Trek fan it's hard to deny that they've always been progressive for whatever era they're in.
Female captains and admirals, androgynous/non-gendered species, multiculturalism, etc.
Hell didn't the original Star Trek have the first ever interracial kiss in TV history? If this board existed back then it would have exploded.
Maybe Picard is more on the nose about it maybe it's not. But maybe people are too busy looking to find an "SJW agenda" that they see it everywhere they go, even when it's not there.
People claiming that Star Trek has an SJW agenda has absolutely no clue about Star Trek's history.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:43 am to blueboy
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by making Trek an expanded universe like Marvel,
Star Trek is the original Expanded Universe.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:50 am to imjustafatkid
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That makes no sense. The destruction of Romulus is in a completely different timeline.
No, it isn't actually.
The destruction of Romulus is in the original timeline.
How it works:
Star Trek: TOS
Star Trek: TAS
Star Trek: Discovery
Star Trek: TNG
Star Trek: DS9
Star Trek: Voyager
**Events in Star Trek prior to Nero and Spock falling into the black hole - as relayed by Spock - including destruction of Romulus**
Star Trek: Picard
Several years after the end of Voyager, the star mentioned at the beginning of Abrams' Star Trek goes "hypernova" and Spock tries to stop it by using Red Matter to create a black hole.
Nero is there to take revenge (blaming Spock for the failure to save Romulus), but the black hole was created to stop further destruction.
Nero is pulled back in time to encounter the USS Kelvin - this is the cause of the new time line.
So new timeline:
Abram's Star Trek (pre-TOS) - Kelvin destroyed.
Time progresses to the main events of Star Trek (which would be roughly before, but close to, the time frame of TOS - the other movies occur during the time frame of TOS)
The destruction of the Kelvin is the catalyst for the new timeline.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:16 pm to skrayper
Sweet mental gymnastics, but total bullshite. Again, Spock sets it all in motion.
As for SJW stuff in Star Trek history, go read the variety article. Stewart himself says it's not like traditional ST, and rejects it in many ways. Then, he goes on to talk about Brexit and Trump. Nothing about that is OS material.
As for SJW stuff in Star Trek history, go read the variety article. Stewart himself says it's not like traditional ST, and rejects it in many ways. Then, he goes on to talk about Brexit and Trump. Nothing about that is OS material.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:32 pm to blueboy
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Sweet mental gymnastics
No, it's canon. Not "mental gymnastics".
Spock set the catalyst in motion - he opened the black hole that Nero goes through. That said, if Nero had immediately warped into the middle of a star and incinerated himself then time would have progressed normally - until Spock showed up many years later.
If you want a better understanding of it, read Star Trek: Countdown and then Star Trek: Nero from IDW. Best synopsis you can find.
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Then, he goes on to talk about Brexit and Trump. Nothing about that is OS material.
Yeah, no idea why Trump and Brexit wasn't in the original series. It's a mystery.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:41 pm to GetCocky11
LINK /
It may be unrelated but that shitty STD product and Picard still share the same universe.
Star Trek is kinda dead.
At least JJTrek was mildly entertaining. The offshoots are just trash.
It may be unrelated but that shitty STD product and Picard still share the same universe.
Star Trek is kinda dead.
At least JJTrek was mildly entertaining. The offshoots are just trash.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:47 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Look, I'm pulling for any future Star Treks to be successful. I just don't want to see the current show runners to drift so far away from the core things that has kept Star Trek around for over 50 years. The show can change with the times without destroying certain core values.
In the 21st Century, core values are the first to be sacrificed for a dollar.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:50 pm to skrayper
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canon
loserquote:Right. In the first JJ movie. And it was the wellspring of a whole of of stupid.
Spock set the catalyst in motion
quote:No specific political issues were in it. They dealt with broader, more universal human themes like racism. They didn't knight for specific issues. I don't remember seeing any shite about Nixon or standardized test reform.
Yeah, no idea why Trump and Brexit wasn't in the original series. It's a mystery.
Again, the makers of this show disagree with you.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:59 pm to GetCocky11
Picard loves pit bulls
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:00 pm to blackinthesaddle
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In the 21st Century, core values are the first to be sacrificed for a dollar.
10th Rule of Acquisition: Greed is Eternal!
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:02 pm to skrayper
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No, it's canon. Not "mental gymnastics".
It's an alternate timeline. Romulus existed in the future in the final episode of The Next Generation, after the date of the JJ Trek "Romulus destruction."
If that is "canon," The Next Generation series finale is not.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:02 pm to MF Doom
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You’re gonna pretend to like it regardless
Do you have a list of shows that I pretend to like in here? And the shows that I've said that I've disliked, am I secretly watching them and enjoying them?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:08 pm to blueboy
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They didn't knight for specific issues. I don't remember seeing any shite about Nixon or standardized test reform
The Omega Glory
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:09 pm to GetCocky11
I'll give it try if for no other reason than that 7 of 9 could still get it. 
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:10 pm to imjustafatkid
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It's an alternate timeline. Romulus existed in the future in the final episode of The Next Generation, after the date of the JJ Trek "Romulus destruction."
If that is "canon," The Next Generation series finale is not.
The future at the end of "All Good Things..." is not a real future. The episode even says as much (the fact that things Picard does during his trips to the past are not remembered by anyone on the crew, just him). Data sums that up during their poker match at the end of the episode.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:20 pm to skrayper
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The Omega Glory
Swing and a miss. 
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