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Se7en (1995) question ***SPOILERS ALERT***
Posted on 4/13/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/13/22 at 10:52 am
Is there anyone in their right mind that would NOT empty their gun into John Doe at the end the way Mills did? I know there are some yahoos in the world who would claim that they wouldn't. However when you've got the buildup of that entire situation, going to an unknown place with a completely unstable serial murderer who has gone to the extent that he has and on top of it, violated your home with your wife, decapitated her and had her head delivered to that site. Add to that her being pregnant and finding out from John Doe that she was and he still kills her and the baby.
There's no way to let him live. Even if he signs a full confession, and somehow you don't want to unload your Wrath on him, there's always some possibility that he could walk someday. He cannot be allowed to live anymore.
There's no way to let him live. Even if he signs a full confession, and somehow you don't want to unload your Wrath on him, there's always some possibility that he could walk someday. He cannot be allowed to live anymore.
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 10:54 am to LSUDVM1999
i probably wouldn't be in my right mind in that situation.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 10:58 am to LSUDVM1999
I probably would have given my partner my gun and beat the ever loving shite out of him. If he dies oh well.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:00 am to LSUDVM1999
I would have killed him. Temporary insanity.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:09 am to LSUDVM1999
John Doe wanted to create the sins in people and he discovered someone weak enough in character to see it through. All of his victims were weak in character, including Mills. They had to be for him to realize his vision.
Doe read Mills like a book. He found a guy who lacked intellect and mental discipline but also had the means to finish his vision.
Doe read Mills like a book. He found a guy who lacked intellect and mental discipline but also had the means to finish his vision.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:12 am to LSUDVM1999
I"m just glad he did, otherwise getting to the end and only 6 of the sins being committed and Doe's plan being foiled would be the ultimate 2 hour cock tease ha.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:12 am to Pandy Fackler
It just seems like he got off easy with a quick death. I would have liked it better to beat the shite out of him to barely alive, then watch him rot in prison.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:23 am to abellsujr
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It just seems like he got off easy with a quick death. I would have liked it better to beat the shite out of him to barely alive, then watch him rot in prison.
There was nothing easy about his life though. We got a glimpse of that when they found his apartment and Somerset began reading through his journals. This movie was never about punishing Doe. He was already suffering.
Doe chose his victims carefully. Mills was an arrogant, narrow minded low IQ guy who didn't always do a good job of thinking things through. He had the immense benefit of Somerset's mentoring and right off the bat, he began squandering it. He lacked mental discipline and at times was impulsive.
He was the perfect vehicle to complete Doe's vision.
Mills had it coming just as much as the rest. His stupidity and arrogance was punished. That movie ended perfectly. For Mills to not do what he did, would imply that Doe miscalculated.
Doe didn't miscalculate.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:24 am to LSUDVM1999
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Is there anyone in their right mind that would NOT empty their gun into John Doe at the end the way Mills did?
Torture is the only acceptable path here
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:27 am to Pandy Fackler
Yeah I agree completely.
To your point, shooting Spacey is the actions of a not so intelligent person. And not a typical thing people would do. You hardly ever see it in fact. Retaliation and revenge like that.
To your point, shooting Spacey is the actions of a not so intelligent person. And not a typical thing people would do. You hardly ever see it in fact. Retaliation and revenge like that.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 11:37 am to LSUDVM1999
I would think that it would be virtually impossible to get a jury of 12 people (outside of SF, LA, NYC, Seattle) to convict him.
Then again, he's a white cop so you know that any Soros D.A. would throw the book at him.
Then again, he's a white cop so you know that any Soros D.A. would throw the book at him.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 12:27 pm to abellsujr
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To your point, shooting Spacey is the actions of a not so intelligent person. And not a typical thing people would do. You hardly ever see it in fact hardly. Retaliation and revenge like that.
In fairness, murderers usually aren't just sitting there chilling when the FedEx guy drops off his latest victim's head to her armed husband.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/13/22 at 12:31 pm to LSUDVM1999
Wrath, in this case, shouldn't be a sin.
If God made you in His image and built-in an uncontrollable "seeing red" error, that's on the Maker.
Plus, when He went into a rage over things he abhorred, He drowned grandmas, grandpas, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, teens, toddlers, infants, puppies, kittens, rabbits, horses, cows, lambs, and Harambes. One headshot to a deserving POS decapitator/serial killer pales in comparison.
If God made you in His image and built-in an uncontrollable "seeing red" error, that's on the Maker.
Plus, when He went into a rage over things he abhorred, He drowned grandmas, grandpas, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, teens, toddlers, infants, puppies, kittens, rabbits, horses, cows, lambs, and Harambes. One headshot to a deserving POS decapitator/serial killer pales in comparison.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 1:17 pm to LSUFreek
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Wrath, in this case, shouldn't be a sin.
If God made you in His image and built-in an uncontrollable "seeing red" error, that's on the Maker.
Plus, when He went into a rage over things he abhorred, He drowned grandmas, grandpas, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, teens, toddlers, infants, puppies, kittens, rabbits, horses, cows, lambs, and Harambes. One headshot to a deserving POS decapitator/serial killer pales in comparison.
The problem is that God is basically a prick per the Bible and demands a monopoly on the righteous use of violence. Good for Me but not for thee.
You're supposed to defer to the wrath of God / divine intervention and playing God by doing it yourself is sinful or something. Rubbish IMO.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 1:25 pm to Walking the Earth
That’s a fair point and he was in a situation that none of us have ever or will ever be in.
That said, I agree with his point about Pitt being selected for his personality in that he was the type of person who would definitely do something like that.
That said, I agree with his point about Pitt being selected for his personality in that he was the type of person who would definitely do something like that.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 5:01 pm to abellsujr
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To your point, shooting Spacey is the actions of a not so intelligent person.
I can imagine myself being so utterly godsmacked by what I was just told, that I would just stand there until Somerset gently took the pistol from my hand.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 5:03 pm to LSUFreek
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Wrath, in this case, shouldn't be a sin.
If God made you in His image and built-in an uncontrollable "seeing red" error, that's on the Maker.
I like this. I present this upvote in tribute. Well done.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 5:06 pm to Huey Lewis
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The problem is that God is basically a prick per the Bible and demands a monopoly on the righteous use of violence. Good for Me but not for thee.
There's some good shite coming out of the M/TV board today.
Your upvote is enroute.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 5:22 pm to Pandy Fackler
Yeah I think I would have been in such shock, I probably would have to be committed. Not sure I could shoot him. Or how I would act honestly. But I could also see myself going after him immediately. Impossible to say really.
And my comment about someone shooting him being “an act of a non intelligent person” is not to say that ONLY a non intelligent person would shoot him. But that Pitts character as you described definitely would. Which is why he was chosen.
Amazing work by Fincher and I love how it brings up these conversations and different views. Everyone will get something different out of it.
And my comment about someone shooting him being “an act of a non intelligent person” is not to say that ONLY a non intelligent person would shoot him. But that Pitts character as you described definitely would. Which is why he was chosen.
Amazing work by Fincher and I love how it brings up these conversations and different views. Everyone will get something different out of it.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 6:01 pm to abellsujr
Agreed, I think the shock I would be experiencing would be so overwhelming that I don't know if I would have the mental or physical capacity to even lift my gun.
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