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Say WB Makes You In Charge Of The DCEU, How Do You Plan It?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:17 pm
Since it seems likely that the current DCEU is getting blown up and given a much needed reboot I’ll ask the folks of the M/TV board how they would plan it out. From my understanding the current idea is to copy what the MCU is doing although I would hope properly paced this time
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:18 pm to dawgfan24348
I immediately urge the studio to sell DC to some other corporation/studio and urge them to get back to making original IPs.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:35 pm to dawgfan24348
I think Zaslav is doing the right thing. DC will be its own division. Assuming they don't sell off WB in 5 years, I think he'll figure it out.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:25 pm to dawgfan24348
I offer James Gunn whatever amount of money he wants to lead DC however he sees fit.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:35 pm to dawgfan24348
I think the DCEU problem starts with Superman. Fix him first.
He's just too overpowered. He was once a Capt American-like leaping strongman that could deflect bullets from crooks and robbers. Then came the flying, then the light-speed/time-bending flying. He used have just x-ray vision then they added laser vision that turns hotter than the sun. And if he can fly fast, well, he probably should run fast as well and now he's as fast as the Flash.
He's also as invincible as a god. Steel chains once would temporarily hold him, but now that's like a sheet of toilet paper. Only another god-like villain can challenge him. Or find some once ultra-rare Kryptonite but that has practically over-the-counter availabilty now. He lacks reasonable vunerabilty that would actully appeal to fans.
Snyder tried to change his All-American goody-two shoes image but went too dark/too fast and had him murdering villains. The Capt America slow arc that Marvel used from All-American to Outsider/Rogue might've been more palatable.
He's just too overpowered. He was once a Capt American-like leaping strongman that could deflect bullets from crooks and robbers. Then came the flying, then the light-speed/time-bending flying. He used have just x-ray vision then they added laser vision that turns hotter than the sun. And if he can fly fast, well, he probably should run fast as well and now he's as fast as the Flash.
He's also as invincible as a god. Steel chains once would temporarily hold him, but now that's like a sheet of toilet paper. Only another god-like villain can challenge him. Or find some once ultra-rare Kryptonite but that has practically over-the-counter availabilty now. He lacks reasonable vunerabilty that would actully appeal to fans.
Snyder tried to change his All-American goody-two shoes image but went too dark/too fast and had him murdering villains. The Capt America slow arc that Marvel used from All-American to Outsider/Rogue might've been more palatable.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:54 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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offer James Gunn whatever amount of money he wants to lead DC however he sees fit.
Supposedly, the Flash is testing very well. I could see muschietti being picked to do the Justice League films.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:19 pm to dawgfan24348
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Say WB Makes You In Charge Of The DCEU, How Do You Plan It?
Step one: ensure that I still have the rights to Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, Khal Drogo as Aqua Man, Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, and Geralt of Rivia as Super Man. I believe those actors are excellent draws for the franchise and have shown that they can carry otherwise mediocre films (even if they can't save complete dumpster fire ones).
Step 2: I hire Max Landis to provide the outline for a few smaller stories and pair him with a solid screenwriter. The idea is we don't need giant world-ending threats, we need character arcs. We need to see growth and change. We need to focus on the flaws of these heros by putting them in situations that challenge them and play off of those flaws and weaknesses. Flaws and weaknesses are what make characters interesting and relatable. Triumphs only have meaning if they come from equally compelling struggles.
Step 3: The tone of these movies should be exciting without being grim. Serious without lacking humor, and still make you feel optimistic coming out of the theater. Our heroes should be good people forced to make difficult decisions, and our villains should be capable people who could be good, but actively choose to be selfish and wicked because they can be. Fun without being campy...unless you're aquaman. That shite should be over the top insanity like the first one was.
Step 4: Plan your teamup movies around what personality flaws your characters have. Batman and Superman make sense because one is always charismatic and optimistic while the other is dour and secluded. One is trusting while the other is paranoid. Aquaman, in this universe, is a bro. He's known for being able to forge great relationships through his natural charisma, but he isn't a strategic thinker. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, is a historian and a book worm. She is seen as not being particularly well-grounded or practical while being very high-minded. Both Wonder Woman and Aquaman have strengths which shore one-another's weaknesses as characters.
Step 5: the best villain is man. There is no need for sky beams and CGI villains throwing particle effects at each other. Lex Luthor is the best villain in DC BECAUSE he has no powers. He is literally just evil Brice Wayne. Having these heroes be at a disadvantage because they simply cannot defeat the combined efforts of intelligent and resourceful humans who fear them is...well..interesting.
Step 6: have your villains team up to balance out their flaws much like your heroes. Lex Luthor has brains and money, but lacks brawn. Pair him with a dumb heavy. The Joker is insane. Pair him with someone who is incredibly logical to a fault.
Finally, just let your heroes be regular people. It must be really difficult saving the world all the time and still holding down a job and trying to maintain a love life. All of that stuff comes at a price. It makes the heroes relatable. It's why "Spiderman 2" is so well-regarded. Peter Parker feels like such a tragic and relatable character, constantly sacrificing his own wants and desires for those of society. Those are the things a super-hero should have to do. For some reason, DC seems to pretend like Superman is the only one who has to do this.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:55 pm to LSUFreek
quote:Not this bullshite again. There’s nothing wrong with the characters. Just write good stories. Enough with the what-if and make them relatable twists.
Superman. Fix him first. He's just too overpowered.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
1. Tell the fans openly that you are dedicated and soley driven to making the highest quality films with the highest quality directors going forward that paybultimate respect to the classic source material and classic traits that we all grew up loving. (new guy has already kind of said this)
2. Fire anyone and eveyone who ever pushed what DC was doing, including anyone who had anything to do with hiring JJ Abrams and Tanahesi Coates and whomever greenlit Batgirl.
3. Write Joseph Kowinski a blank check and hire him to make a Superman/Batman film with Henry Cavill and Affleck (
4. Go all in on the Darkseid/cosmic/Jack Kirby path. It worked for Marvel to unimaginable results and it will work for DC, too of they do it right. Just keep Zack Snyder away from everything.
5. Have an offshoot universe of standalone character films like Joker. Think of it as the DC Miramax. Hire extremely artistic directors to essentially make 70s-90s crime movies thinly veiled as DC films.
2. Fire anyone and eveyone who ever pushed what DC was doing, including anyone who had anything to do with hiring JJ Abrams and Tanahesi Coates and whomever greenlit Batgirl.
3. Write Joseph Kowinski a blank check and hire him to make a Superman/Batman film with Henry Cavill and Affleck (
4. Go all in on the Darkseid/cosmic/Jack Kirby path. It worked for Marvel to unimaginable results and it will work for DC, too of they do it right. Just keep Zack Snyder away from everything.
5. Have an offshoot universe of standalone character films like Joker. Think of it as the DC Miramax. Hire extremely artistic directors to essentially make 70s-90s crime movies thinly veiled as DC films.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:48 pm to Jack Ruby
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Write Joseph Kowinski a blank check and hire him to make a Superman/Batman film with Henry Cavill and Affleck (
Chris Mcquarrie is who I'd like to see do Superman
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:52 pm to dawgfan24348
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Say WB Makes You In Charge Of The DCEU, How Do You Plan It?
The secret is in plain sight. DC has an amazing character for every type of film. Just use the character that fits your narrative instead of forcing superheroes into the wrong story.
You want grim and gritty? Fleisher and Aparo’s Spectre makes the Punisher look like a pussy. You want a liberal heroic story? Green Arrow. You want an Iron Man type of movie? Don’t try to turn Hal Jordan into Tony Stark. Try a Ted Kord Blue Beetle instead.
If you don’t want a movie about an all-powerful hero balancing the weight of the universe with the need for simple human companionship then don’t make a Superman movie.
If you want a movie about a hero who gets bad advice from a disturbed foster father and goes on to decide that his heroic destiny requires him to kill, that’s not Superman. That’s Red Hood.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:58 pm to LSUFreek
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He was once a Capt American-like leaping strongman that could deflect bullets from crooks and robbers.
Nah. He was an Incredible Hulk-like leaping strongman. So exactly like current Superman, but without the flying.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:56 am to dawgfan24348
I would let Superman goes on a space adventure, at this point in time he's too bound to earth and lois and we all seen that.
Maxima, Mogul, Big Barda, and the New Gods are some of the people he could battle out there.
Wonder Woman first one was fine, just get a man to add that action that Patty Jenkin was missing in WW84.
Green Lantern, started with Kyle Rayner and after Hal went crazy. That is a mini pseudo star wars tied up in there, they could make bank. That would be the epic space adventure.
Alternatively, they can use Jessica Cruz but cast a hot one.
Batman someone other than affleck and more tech up than Robert Pattinson batman.
Not sure if Cyborg should have been in the team or not but is fine if he is, martian manhunter should be there.
The rest is creative freedom.
Maxima, Mogul, Big Barda, and the New Gods are some of the people he could battle out there.
Wonder Woman first one was fine, just get a man to add that action that Patty Jenkin was missing in WW84.
Green Lantern, started with Kyle Rayner and after Hal went crazy. That is a mini pseudo star wars tied up in there, they could make bank. That would be the epic space adventure.
Alternatively, they can use Jessica Cruz but cast a hot one.
Batman someone other than affleck and more tech up than Robert Pattinson batman.
Not sure if Cyborg should have been in the team or not but is fine if he is, martian manhunter should be there.
The rest is creative freedom.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 2:02 am
Posted on 8/7/22 at 11:04 am to dawgfan24348
I would retcon everything and start from scratch.
Recast all characters with actors that aren't activists/weirdos with behavior clauses that will essentially ruin their careers if they frick up.
Gal Gadot I would keep as WW and Jason M as Aquaman. Everyone else is gone. I would bring Grant Gustin as Flash but leave the rest of the cast out.
Batman and Superman have to be home runs. Superman needs to become a boy scout again and Batman need to become a detective again that works with the police instead of his lack of respect for due process. Batman and Superman have to become "The World's Finest" team again that are BFF's.
Don't rush the Justice League. Marvel built up Avengers 2012 with a series of induvial movies that offered pieces of a huge planetary threat. This needs to happen.
Green Lantern is another player that needs to be done right.
The Heroes should be big enough that you can cast talented "no names" or up and coming people to fill these roles.
Recast all characters with actors that aren't activists/weirdos with behavior clauses that will essentially ruin their careers if they frick up.
Gal Gadot I would keep as WW and Jason M as Aquaman. Everyone else is gone. I would bring Grant Gustin as Flash but leave the rest of the cast out.
Batman and Superman have to be home runs. Superman needs to become a boy scout again and Batman need to become a detective again that works with the police instead of his lack of respect for due process. Batman and Superman have to become "The World's Finest" team again that are BFF's.
Don't rush the Justice League. Marvel built up Avengers 2012 with a series of induvial movies that offered pieces of a huge planetary threat. This needs to happen.
Green Lantern is another player that needs to be done right.
The Heroes should be big enough that you can cast talented "no names" or up and coming people to fill these roles.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/7/22 at 11:21 am to dawgfan24348
I think the problem is that you simply can’t make a good DCEU.
The characters are either 1) too powerful 2) too tied to the 1940s or 3) too opposite in character and tone to coexist.
Superman sucks. All around. Lame character. Lame costume. In a vacuum, he can have an interesting story. As part of a shared universe, he’s just way too powerful. Now, Homelander rocks. But that’s because he’s a parody of Superman.
Batman is awesome. But he’s less awesome when he exists in a world with superheroes. The most recent Batman movie was great. I would hate to retroactively ruin it by placing it in a world with superheroes.
The characters are either 1) too powerful 2) too tied to the 1940s or 3) too opposite in character and tone to coexist.
Superman sucks. All around. Lame character. Lame costume. In a vacuum, he can have an interesting story. As part of a shared universe, he’s just way too powerful. Now, Homelander rocks. But that’s because he’s a parody of Superman.
Batman is awesome. But he’s less awesome when he exists in a world with superheroes. The most recent Batman movie was great. I would hate to retroactively ruin it by placing it in a world with superheroes.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 11:27 am to thenza
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I think the problem is that you simply can’t make a good DCEU.
The characters are either 1) too powerful 2) too tied to the 1940s or 3) too opposite in character and tone to coexist.
Superman sucks. All around. Lame character. Lame costume. In a vacuum, he can have an interesting story. As part of a shared universe, he’s just way too powerful. Now, Homelander rocks. But that’s because he’s a parody of Superman.
Batman is awesome. But he’s less awesome when he exists in a world with superheroes. The most recent Batman movie was great. I would hate to retroactively ruin it by placing it in a world with superheroes.
Have you ever seen any of the DC animated shows? If they could adopt the storytelling as done animated I think it would work well.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 11:28 am to kingbob
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Step 2: I hire Max Landis to provide the outline for a few smaller stories and pair him with a solid screenwriter.
Yeah hiring him would go over well.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 12:18 pm to dawgfan24348
I offer John Faveru the chance to get out from under Kathleen Kennedy's dick and be the next Kevin Feige, then call it a day.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 12:32 pm to thenza
quote:The Avengers film featured a literal god, a character whose only previous movie was set in the 1940's, and other members who ranged from powerless spies to a creature powerful enough to defeat the god.
The characters are either 1) too powerful 2) too tied to the 1940s or 3) too opposite in character and tone to coexist.
Again, all of this bullshite about DC having the wrong type of characters for film is just that. Bull shite.
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