Rewatchables: JFK

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Did people really walk out thinking Stone solved it? Or is Bill Simmons just an idiot?

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BS is definitely an idiot but at the same time I think the movie did have a huge swing of influence on what people commonly took as factual about the case. Not that people thought everything in the movie happened as fact, but certain things that get mentioned at trial I’m sure were wildly regurgitated across the country as something as factual, especially given an era that did not have the internet for you to look this stuff up in a moments notice



Semi related to that point, I do think part of the reason BS likes to do movies from the 80s -90s is because you have enough info out there to make for an interesting podcast but also these movies didn’t happen in the internet era and have 100 articles and oral histories made of them from that time so he can sort of write his own history of a movie and the reception and the reasons for the reception without any verifiable way to disprove it. He can just say “I was there. It was a thing”


Hell a few weeks ago he claimed that Warrior was the greatest sports movie of all time and discussed it like it was a pretty common thought. I like warrior, but it is not the greatest sports movie of all time

There are people who really buy into JFK conspiracies. I mean... really buy into them. They will be here soon am I sure.

They want to believe.

No one wants to believe that JFK was killed by some dipshit failure. And, in fact, people will be on here to talk about how that could never, never have happened. Despite the fact that most of us with any firearms experience could have made that shot with that rifle. That will also get denied and you'll hear about grassy knolls and the Secret Service actually murdered him and other... interesting scenarios.

The one conspiracy that we have solid evidence for regarding JFK's assassination is the Soviet Union. No. They didn't pull the trigger. Rather... once they realized what was going on they spent millions and millions of dollars funding conspiracy theories in the US to destroy morale.

We are in, perhaps, the single greatest disinformation campaign in the history of the world. The KGB is gone, but by golly their work lives proudly on. Generations from now there will still be JFK conspiracy buffs talking about "magic bullets" and what not.

Listening right now, first saw it in the early 90s and still one of my favorite movies. I don't believe most of the conspiracies but I still think there is more to Oswald's story.

I did just watch Stones newest doc about it on showtime I believe

Concise 2 hours .

But I’d forgotten how stacked that cast for JFK was.

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Does anyone take Stone as a filmmaker seriously?

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what now or back then? He was a brilliant director, filmmaker in the 80s: Platoon, Wall Street, Talk Radio (ahead of its time) JFK the Doors

I never took his politics seriously.

As for JFK i was in college when it came out, it did renew some discussion, it wasn't really new, most of that was in Garrisons book. I love the movie, i love conspiracy movies/books in general but i view it as the total work of fiction that it is.

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I did just watch Stones newest doc about it on showtime I believe

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I saw this over the weekend.. A lot of coincidences and discrepancies. Many people recanted and/or cleared up their testimony. It's a good watch.

People really took Stone's movie seriously, yes. A lot of people had never been exposed to that line of thinking. Our History class in High School had a discussion, and I remember a ditzy girl that I never would have imagined watching it say, "I think it was a conspiracy."

The movie is based on Garrison's book and Jim Marr's book Crossfire. Jim Marrs was just a local guy who had been kind of a regular at Jack Ruby's club before the shooting. His investigations out of curiosity led to the eventual writing of the book and numerous others on secret histories and the New World Order.

It's easier for many to believe the Oswald story than to believe that "they" could pull it off...but once you dive in, there's no looking back.

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I can remember my grandfather talking about those before JFK ever came out. I always wondered what the story was on those.

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My grandpa’s friend owned a bar in NOLA that Garrison used to occasionally frequent - he had some stories as well

A lot of people thought there was a conspiracy before and and the movie didn't help. Each ridiculous conspiracy has been debunked but people still believe. I thought it was a good movie that really distorted the truth and hurt some people's reputation.