re: Pixar's Lightyear Teaser Trailer

Right when I heard this was going to be a backstory on the “real Buzz Lightyear”, I thought “hmm, I wonder who will play the voice?”

I think it makes sense the voice is different than the “toy”. I never once thought about politics. Now could that be the reason? Sure, it could be, but I think the voice being different is logical and that is where my head went to first

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I think it makes sense the voice is different from the "toy"

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In real life, Tom Hanks didn't do the voice for the real toys. He said his brother did them. So if art is imitating life, I could see this as a reasonable take.

I admit that it’s not totally unbelievable that Tim is the Toy’s voice while the real person is someone else. But I still would have rathered Tim or Patrick.

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Last Man Standing is over. Tim has mostly been touring.

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We don't know when principal recording took place

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I’m sick of the gaslighting, man. It’s clearly in front of you. I’m not crazy for noticing the clear elephant in the room.

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I don't think you're crazy; I just think you take an extreme and emotional opinion everything (good and bad), so when you correctly see an elephant in the room, you act like its 10 times its actual size.

In this case, there are quite a few well-known republican/conservative people in Hollywood who have no issues: Adam Sandler, Vince Vaughn, Kurt Russell (and he's still being cast in Marvel properties, most recently What-If), Clint Eastwood (who is really well-known for his views).

Another poster mentioned one of Tim Allen's issues being that he came out against Obama. I don't even know what he said or when he said it, so that obviously pales in comparison to Clint Eastwood in a primetime speaking role at the 2012 Republican Convention and his awkward "Obama Empty Chair Speech."

Yet since then he's directed: Jersey Boys, American Sniper, Sully, The Mule, The 15:17 to Paris (although that was more obscure and he used the actual individuals involved instead of actors), and Richard Jewell. And the majority of those were well-received by the super left critics (all but Jersey Boys and The 15:17 to Paris were >70% on RottenTomaotes), and American Sniper was nominated for best picture by the especially progressive Academy.

And he worked with a bunch of well-known stars (Tom Hanks, Bradley Cooper, Laurence Fishburne, Sam Rockwell, Jon Hamm, Olivia Wilde, Jenna Fischer) and that doesn't even include the 2012 film Trouble with the Curve which starred Justin Timberlake, John Goodman, and Amy Adams. These aren't exactly actors who are vying for an opportunity nor ones you would find supporting any Republican (let alone Trump).

So of course, the further right one is, the more difficult it might be to make it in the uber left Hollywood, but it's not enough to make up for bringing in a lot of $$$$ and/or high-quality work, especially if one isn't just outright insufferable about it (like James Woods), which isn't the case for Tim Allen, whose views are not that salient to the average moviegoer, and they're probably disproportionately known by those on the right since the Last Man Standing cancellation was a big topic on the right (probably due to the target audience, especially as it skewed much older) and was relatively a non-story elsewhere (I wouldn't have known if it wasn't discussed a lot on the PT board).

So it's a small elephant, small enough that they're not going to make a huge Buzz Lightyear casting decision based on some political views that have little bearing on anything.

We've known about Evans being cast since they announced it in January, yet in those 10 months Tim Allen hasn't said a word about it, and we know he's not shy about voicing his opinion about this stuff even when it wasn't due to politics, so if he was really "canceled" because of politics, then not only would we expect him to come out, we would be right to do so.

So why hasn't he? My guess is that there is no reason to do so, and in fact, since we only know that Evans was cast as the human lightyear, and don't know anything else about the plot, cast, etc., that maybe he actually has a role in the film and they might want to reveal that yet which has been the case a lot lately with Disney (like they're not revealing who from the other spiderman films are going to show up in the No Way Home, or Luke Skywalker showing up in The Mandalorian, Loki had a bunch of surprises, etc.).

Lots of POC in that trailer. Is Buzz a minority in the future?

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In this case, there are quite a few well-known republican/conservative people in Hollywood who have no issues: Adam Sandler

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A money machine.

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Vince Vaughn

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Haven’t seen him in years.

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Kurt Russell (and he's still being cast in Marvel properties, most recently What-If)

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Not an A-lister

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Clint Eastwood (who is really well-known for his views).

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He’s a hundred, a great filmmaker, and a fricking legend. Find me the 30 year old Clint Eastwood, and then we’ll talk.

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Another poster mentioned one of Tim Allen's issues being that he came out against Obama. I don't even know what he said or when he said it, so that obviously pales in comparison to Clint Eastwood in a primetime speaking role at the 2012 Republican Convention and his awkward "Obama Empty Chair Speech."

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Yeah I’m with you there that that’s the reason. That’s bullshite.

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So it's a small elephant, small enough that they're not going to make a huge Buzz Lightyear casting decision based on some political views that have little bearing on anything.

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Pixar does realize this, which is why I said if they make Toy Story 5 or another Toy Story short that Tim Allen will voice Buzz. But this is still an effort the excise Tim Allen from Hollywood.

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We've known about Evans being cast since they announced it in January, yet in those 10 months Tim Allen hasn't said a word about it, and we know he's not shy about voicing his opinion about this stuff even when it wasn't due to politics, so if he was really "canceled" because of politics, then not only would we expect him to come out, we would be right to do so.

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I think it is quite possible if not probable he has at least a cameo appearance in the movie. That’s what I’m thinking whats up with him not speaking out against it.

Honestly, I hope they’ve initially planned this as a trilogy. Have one of Zurg’s general as this movie’s main villain, and have a credits scene informing Emperor Zurg, where Zurg removes his helmet revealing a likeness to Tim Allen and voiced by him. Every two years a Buzz Lightyear movie for the next six years, I’m down.

Also look how quickly Disney dropped and replaced Edward Norton and Terrance Howard from their Marvel character. And both of them have the “right political views,” were/are well-known and good (Howard) to great (Norton) actors, with Norton’s character being one of the most popular comic books character in history all because Disney/Marvel didn’t want to put up with them and their demands.

On the other hand, we have Gina Carano, who was “fired” for her views. But she had made many of her views well known years before she was even cast in The Mandalorian, like in 2016 when she said Transgenderism was a mental disorder, which is definitely not aligned with Hollywood’s views. And despite pandering QAnon conspiracies, and saying just a bunch of dumb things, with plenty of pressure to get her fired, Disney/LucasFilms (and Kathleen Kennedy is much more woke than other Disney execs), she didn’t lose her job. It took the especially idiotic “Nazi, Jew Holocaust” comparison to eventually be the last straw. And she’s a mediocre actor at best, relatively obscure overall (especially compared to Norton/Howard), and her character was secondary and not that important.

So it took all that to get Carano fired, despite her relative unimportance (mediocre actor, secondary and brand new character, not an A-lister) working for the division of Disney that is probably the most “woke,” but it took very little for Norton/Howard to get fired, despite having the right “views” star power, character importance, and acting skills, by the less work division, isn’t it possible that the decisions to fire/replace characters has more to do with things like “contract demands” and being just plain difficult” than specific ideological viewpoints?

And Tim Allen, who hasn’t said anything near as dumb or controversial as Carano and there hasn’t been any push to get him fired. In addition, he’s far closer to Norton and Howard (importance of character; recognition), but also well-known to make, like Norton and Howard, a lot of demands contractually and like Norton is not clamoring for roles. So since he’s far more similar to Norton/Howard, besides political viewpoints, isn’t it more likely he was fired/replaced for similar reasons, if he even wanted the role at all?

Are we sure it's an origin story?

The timing certainly wouldn't work. Woody was an old timey toy, replaced with the new fancy space toy. I certainly didn't get the feeling that Toy Story was actually set far in the future and that the Buzz toy was based on real events in that universe.

So that leaves two scenarios. Either sometime in the future we modeled our space program after our favorite toys. Not too crazy an idea, but you would have to figure the character playing Buzz would reference the toys if that's the case.

Or more likely,

This movie is actually just a kid playing with the toys and we're seeing the story in his head. The last scene of the movie could be a reveal where we see a kid playing with the toys and realize it was all his imagination the whole time.

No reason that the voice would have to be Tim Allen in both of those scenarios. In fact, the voice would almost have to be different. Hell, maybe the kid in scenario number two had just watched an Avengers movie and gave Buzz Chris Evan's voice.