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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:49 am to Dam Guide
The visuals are excellent. But that's all it really is. No idea of story or characters. So who knows. But this is absolutely a money grab and dipping into a popular IP.
I despise Chapek. He's taking the family atmosphere out of the parks and killing Walt's idea of providing a place where the whole family... any family... can enjoy time together. I used to own DVC, two properties. Sold them. I have a 7 yo who is in his prime disney-going years, and I don't want to even take him there because of the lack of value provided. The 50th anniversary is falling flat and he can only blame covid so much.
I despise Chapek. He's taking the family atmosphere out of the parks and killing Walt's idea of providing a place where the whole family... any family... can enjoy time together. I used to own DVC, two properties. Sold them. I have a 7 yo who is in his prime disney-going years, and I don't want to even take him there because of the lack of value provided. The 50th anniversary is falling flat and he can only blame covid so much.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:50 am to buckeye_vol
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But the executives are quite different than the artists, especially when it comes to $$$$. Tim Allen isn’t a very controversial figure at all, so whatever the reason he’s not in the film, politics probably has little or nothing to do with it (maybe he turned it down or had a conflict, maybe they legitimately wanted to different voice for the person that inspired the toy, maybe he plays a different role in the film, etc).
The thing is they don’t need Tim Allen though. This movie is going to make a billion regardless barring anything non-pandemic related. They intentionally threw him under the bus because they’re fricking cowards. It’s as simple as that: cowardice. They just don’t want 20 trans employees boycotting outside of Disney like they’re doing with Chapelle right now.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:51 am to ell_13
quote:Yet Disney kept him in the Buzz role, and didn’t even reduce his role in the most recent one. And they went further and included him in cameo role in a separate film altogether, when that wasn’t necessary at all.
He came out against Obama and in support of Trump.
quote:And the cancellation actually coincided with the productions costs shifting to ABC, making it a lot less profitable. Yet, after ABC bought out 20th Century Fox, they took over the main production company and the distributor, and it’s still going today.
He claimed last man standing was canceled because of his politics.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:54 am to OMLandshark
quote:When did they throw him under the bus? Do you have a link to anything? Tim Allen has almost exclusively workers for Disney, both film and television, for the better part of the last decade, including right now. So how and why are they throwing him under the bus, when they’re making him a lot of money?
They intentionally threw him under the bus because they’re fricking cowards.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:55 am to buckeye_vol
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Yet Disney kept him in the Buzz role, and didn’t even reduce his role in the most recent one. And they went further and included him in cameo role in a separate film altogether, when that wasn’t necessary at all.
No one cares about the cameo and I don’t even remember it to be honest with you. And yes if they make Toy Story 5 or anymore Toy Story shorts, Tim will be back for that since it will cause a media shite storm if he doesn’t. Here they have a cowardly out though: “No, no you don’t understand. Tim Allen is still Buzz Lightyear, but he’s Buzz Lightyear the toy. Chris Evans on the other hand is the real Buzz Lightyear though.” You really underestimate the cowardice of these people.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:57 am to buckeye_vol
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When did they throw him under the bus? Do you have a link to anything? Tim Allen has almost exclusively workers for Disney, both film and television, for the better part of the last decade, including right now. So how and why are they throwing him under the bus, when they’re making him a lot of money?
Tim claimed they cancelled his show for his politics. How is that not throwing him under the bus? You are being willfully naive here.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:58 am to buckeye_vol
quote:You completely ignored my part about the production timing and Lasseter getting the can.
Yet Disney kept him in the Buzz role, and didn’t even reduce his role in the most recent one. And they went further and included him in cameo role in a separate film altogether, when that wasn’t necessary at all.
quote:It was their second highest rated sitcom when the canceled it.
And the cancellation actually coincided with the productions costs shifting to ABC, making it a lot less profitable. Yet, after ABC bought out 20th Century Fox, they took over the main production company and the distributor, and it’s still going today.
You can't really get around that it wasn't a move for money. As far as Disney buying Fox, that wasn't complete until 2019 and it was only renewed one more time under Disney and then... canceled again. 
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:59 am to buckeye_vol
Allen and Hanks were comparable stars when they signed on for Toy Story (Hanks was coming off of Turner and Hooch, Philadelphia and Sleepless in Seattle hadn't been released yet). That is no longer the case. Hanks is the face of Hollywood and Allen is a journeyman sitcom star. Hanks has the power to keep his brother Jim as the "other" voice of Woody, Allen has never had the power to demand who voices Buzz. Disney has the opportunity to tie the franchise to a popular "All American" actor and start a fresh franchise. Moving forward without Allen will piss off a portion of the adult audience, but for a generation of kids raised on Chris "Captain America" Evans, this is a smart move.
In spite of Disney's "crazy liberalism", Last Man Standing ran an entire season longer than Home Improvement.
In spite of Disney's "crazy liberalism", Last Man Standing ran an entire season longer than Home Improvement.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:02 am to OMLandshark
quote:And you’re just making things up since you haven’t provided a shred of evidence. Besides all of the other possible reasons I already listed, and probably many more that we haven’t even considered, Tim Allen is well known for demanding borderline an unrealistically high salary, so like Terrance Howard and many others before him (which happens in every industry and at every level), it may have just been that he required more than Disney was willing to pay, especially since it’s a much larger role and work than the Toy Story films where Tom Hanks is the co-lead and it’s much more of an ensemble cast.
You really underestimate the cowardice of these people.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:13 am to buckeye_vol
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And you’re just making things up since you haven’t provided a shred of evidence.
All I have to do is show you basic society to prove my point. We’re at full blown McCarthyism at this point, just coming from the opposite directions. Could you imagine an A-List celebrity coming out today outside of possibly Kanye coming out, saying “I voted for Donald Trump and here’s why” and keeping their career. Everyone who is not complying is being blacklisted as we speak.
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Tim Allen is well known for demanding borderline an unrealistically high salary, so like Terrance Howard and many others before him (which happens in every industry and at every level), it may have just been that he required more than Disney was willing to pay
Yeah, I’m sure Tim Allen was lowballed by Captain fricking America.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:18 am to OMLandshark
quote:And Colin Kapernick, Michael Sam, etc. have made similar types of claims. And the one thing they all have in common? The truth is a lot more mundane and normal: the financial costs weren’t worth the benefits. In Tim’s had the least to do with him personally, as it was the overall production costs of the show that was the issue, as the ABC was going to be contractually required to pick up the costs before they cancelled it.
Tim claimed they cancelled his show for his politics.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:29 am to OMLandshark
quote:I wouldn’t doubt it. He not only had more leverage as the toy Buzz, he well known for his high salary demands.
Yeah, I’m sure Tim Allen was lowballed by Captain fricking America.
Regardless, of the many possible reasons, I’m confident politics is well down the list. I don’t expect you to agree, because you always take the most extreme and histrionic stance one way or the other on literally everything, which has to be exhausting (but I understand you probably can’t help it).
Besides, even if it wasn’t due to politics, there is a huge market for pretending it is, and that’s especially true if it actually is. Yet, we haven’t even gotten Tim to pretend it is, despite all the incentives to do so, and a personal history that has shown that he will.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:36 am to ell_13
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No idea of story or characters.
I think this story is based on the adventures of the astronaut who inspired the Buzz Lightyear toy.
The character looks younger, so maybe the younger Chris Evans voice will work. Tim Allen is 68, btw.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:42 am to LSUFreek
So you have no idea on stories or characters either.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:50 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Moving forward without Allen will piss off a portion of the adult audience, but for a generation of kids raised on Chris "Captain America" Evans, this is a smart move
Yes. My 6 year old who loves all things toy story and all things Captain America is going to be freaking pumped. Thats all i care about.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:53 am to ell_13
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I despise Chapek. He's taking the family atmosphere out of the parks and killing Walt's idea of providing a place where the whole family
Curious as to what you mean here?
My kids are 6 and 3 and we have taken weekly annual trips to Disney and aside from last Sept (having to wear 24/7 and cast members acting like assholes about it) every trip even our last one that was last month have been great.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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Regardless, of the many possible reasons, I’m confident politics is well down the list. I don’t expect you to agree, because you always take the most extreme and histrionic stance one way or the other on literally everything, which has to be exhausting (but I understand you probably can’t help it).
I’m sick of the gaslighting, man. It’s clearly in front of you. I’m not crazy for noticing the clear elephant in the room.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:05 pm to ell_13
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So you have no idea on stories or characters either.
I said the character is based on the real person (real Buzz Lightyear) in that Toy Story world, not the toy. I don’t know how you can say I have no idea who the character is based on.
As far as story. I generically said “adventures” bc I didn’t want to spoil. dipshit.
Spoilers:
It’s time travel related. He has to go around the sun and comes back to a different earth years later.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:06 pm to OMLandshark
They replaced Tim Allen? Wtf
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