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TigerFanatic99
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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
Yep, frick Theon, or Reek as he deserves to be referred to.



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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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He's a child murderer. So...yeah Frick him and he's got a shite personality.




and yet everyone loves Jaime Lannister..He pushed Bran out of a window. At this point Theon has show far more remorse and had far more punishment for his actions that anyone on the show.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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and yet everyone loves Jaime Lannister.


They also love the hound who ran down the butchers boy for absolutely no reason


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
Kidnapping a child from its home doesn't have to be unique to be meaningful and impactful. What does that even mean, unique? Murder isn't unique either. Does it cease to have meaning? What do you think the effect would have been on you if you were raised as a hostage? Would you be grateful for it?
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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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and yet everyone loves Jaime Lannister..He pushed Bran out of a window. At this point Theon has show far more remorse and had far more punishment for his actions that anyone on the show.




I think a lot of it is that the book follows Jaime more and you see the transformation. Plus you get an insight as to why he has been mislabeled his whole life when honor plays a big role inside of him. He pushed Bran from the window for what he thought was true love.

Theon betrays who he loves to try to gain love from someone who has cast him aside and will never love him.

I'm in the camp of frick Theon, I want him to die.

As for Jaime, his arc is far more interesting and I hope he dies saving the person that sits the iron throne at the end.



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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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Kidnapping a child from its home doesn't have to be unique to be meaningful and impactful. What does that even mean, unique? Murder isn't unique either. Does it cease to have meaning? What do you think the effect would have been on you if you were raised as a hostage? Would you be grateful for it?

The point is this:

A. Children of lords/kings who have lost power or have been beaten by another were very often forced to live with another noble as insurance against rebellion. Not just in GoT but in real life Middle Ages

B. Theon was treated exceptionally well by the Starks, which is abnormal as most in his position would have faced a lot more miss treatment


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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I stand firmly in the frick him he sucks


You and everyone else. One thing has proven true. If you frick with the Starks then Winter will not be kind in return.

*I hope he doesnt have some crappy redemption story due to the fact he is without wiener. Honestly he has stayed around too long. He literally has no value.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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A. Children of lords/kings who have lost power or have been beaten by another were very often forced to live with another noble as insurance against rebellion. Not just in GoT but in real life Middle Ages


The point is: your point has no meaning. It doesn't matter that it has happened before. The person being held hostage still doesn't feel good about it. "Oh, other people have been held against their will? Ok. That makes it fine." How the frick do you even think this is something that makes sense? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

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B. Theon was treated exceptionally well by the Starks, which is abnormal as most in his position would have faced a lot more miss treatment


And he was still an outsider with no true identity to his captors or to his home that he was forcibly taken from. As nice as the Starks treated him he still had it hanging over his head that he was going to be executed if his father in some distant land did something to upset his hosts. That was his reality that he grew up with. And you think he definitely, in no uncertain terms, owed loyalty to the people holding death over his head.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
I don’t think the Red Wedding happens if Theon returned to him.

The Red Wedding was set in motion by several events. The key event was losing Winterfell and the reported deaths of Bran and Rickon. Those reported deaths caused Robb to frick the nearest woman and marry her, offending the Freys, and Cat to send Jamie back to the Lannisters for Sansa and Arya, offending the Karstarks.

If Theon doesn’t flip, Winterfell stays safe. Winterfell stays safe, Robb marries a Frey and Jamie is held hostage until terms can be met. If he doesn’t offend they Freys, no Red Wedding.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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And he was still an outsider with no true identity to his captors or to his home that he was forcibly taken from. As nice as the Starks treated him he still had it hanging over his head that he was going to be executed if his father in some distant land did something to upset his hosts. That was his reality that he grew up with.


Oh okay, when you put it like that destroying the place that raised you and murdering a bunch of your childhood friends is totally excusable


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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He's a child murderer.
You hate the Hound too? What about Arya Stark?


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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Those reported deaths caused Robb to frick the nearest woman and marry her

i dont know that i agree with that...robb had already met and started canoodling with talisa before all that, at least in the show

the blame for breaking the pact with the freys is on robb, not theon. robb's response to theon's actions at winterfell and catlyn's meddling with jaime did lead to the boltons breaking to the lannisters though

i guess in the end it doesnt really matter


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I really disliked Theon my first watch. When I rewatched the series, I had a lot of sympathy for him. He didn't feel like he was a Stark; he didn't feel like he was a Greyjoy. He always felt like he had something to prove and he lost big because of that.


agreed with this. we rewatched in December and January and I was paying more attention to how he was kept at arms length in a lot of things in the Stark household. These people killed his brothers, shamed his father, and took him captive for 10+ years. Sure they treated him pretty well, but he had to sit outside like the bastard Jon Snow.

This doesn't excuse killing people, but i understood his conflict more. Second viewing, I saw him as less whiny and more conflicted over his poor choice of blood being thicker than water.

he's still a POS, but i hope he saves Yara and then dies.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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You hate the Hound too? What about Arya Stark?


Jon Snow hung a kid for treason.


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Jon Snow hung a kid for treason.



and stabbing him.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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I stand firmly in the frick him he sucks and everything that happened to him was his own fault camp.


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I’m assuming that you haven’t read the books?

Theon is one of the great tragic characters in American literary history.

He was a kid that was taken from his home at an early age. Taken from his birthright to a strange cold place that adhered to none of his customs.

And while the starks will claim that they took him and treated him as one of their own he was always an outsider and always would be.

He was only 16-17 years old when he captured winterfell. He was a dumb kid who was looking for validation from his dad. A validation that couldn’t be earned no matter what he did so he attempted the impossible and he made terrible unforgivable decisions in the process.

Also in the process he was rendered inhuman. Had all but two fingers flayed to the bone and was castrated and raped.

If anyone deserves redemption it’s Theon Greyjoy

This comparison perfectly illustrates why the average American viewer has ruined GoT. The complexity of the characters and their motivations is lost on the masses.


RB10
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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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and stabbing him.


My point is every character has done horrible things. Theon is no exception, he just gets more ire because most everyone likes the Starks.

I hope he redeems himself.


3nOut
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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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My point is every character has done horrible things.


i'm not trying to pretend like a show about dragons, ice zombies, and magic needs to be that nuanced, but comparing JS hanging a sworn brother of the night's watch that committed mutiny and murder to Theon killing 2 innocent boys is laughable.

Not that JS is perfect, but his hands are pretty clean in terms of unjustified murder compared to most in the show.


RB10
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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
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i'm not trying to pretend like a show about dragons, ice zombies, and magic needs to be that nuanced, but comparing JS hanging a sworn brother of the night's watch that committed mutiny and murder to Theon killing 2 innocent boys is laughable.

Not that JS is perfect, but his hands are pretty clean in terms of unjustified murder compared to most in the show.


I'm not comparing anything and I never said they were the same.

I pointed out that every character, even the most beloved, have done things that most would condemn. Again, Greyjoy is no exception.


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re: Pick your side: Theon Greyjoy deserves redemption / doesn’t deserve redemption
I don't know who or what this is about but


I say he dropped the ball on purpose.


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