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re: Midsommar(Spoilers/Discussion)
Posted on 1/26/20 at 8:01 pm to Duzz
Posted on 1/26/20 at 8:01 pm to Duzz
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I know what he was going for, but because it was in Daylight it made it less creepy. In fact there is less tension because in general it just seems like everyone who died slighted the cult people in the first place.
Example 1: Please mr. black man, I know you are curious but that is our MOST sacred text, you are not allow to read it.
Black guy sneaks out to read it anyway. Surprise surprise he get killed by the offended communter.
Example 2: White guy instead of just going to use a bathroom like a civilized person, decide to whip his wee wee out and pee on a random tree. Said Tree just happen to be the most scared tree to the community where the cult people believe all of their ancestors are residing. White guy proceed to shrug it off saying it's just a dead tree.
well there is some symbology going on
scientist and joker. they were both supposed to do extreme things within that caricature b/c they were symbols
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 8:03 pm to Jay Are
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I can't wait to get my hands on the 3 hour director's cut.
well, the movie could use a good edit. leave it to ari aster to need 30 minutes to establish Christian is actually an a-hole
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
It's been getting billed as a feminist horror movie, but I think that's a pretty strained reading of the film. I think it reads more accurately at how groups (like this cult) take advantage of people's pain and insecurities and weaponize it for their own purposes. She's not liberated, she's turned into an empty vessel.
And while you can make a case some of the guys deserved some sort of compeuppance, they certainly didn't deserve a death sentence. And the one couple was essentially without sin and they get murdered too. There's no rational way to read the cult as the "good guys" as the feminist reading requires.
Still, Christian sucks a lot. I'm definitely on Team Cult on that one.
And while you can make a case some of the guys deserved some sort of compeuppance, they certainly didn't deserve a death sentence. And the one couple was essentially without sin and they get murdered too. There's no rational way to read the cult as the "good guys" as the feminist reading requires.
Still, Christian sucks a lot. I'm definitely on Team Cult on that one.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:56 am to Baloo
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It's been getting billed as a feminist horror movie
it is 100% not. it's actually inherently anti-female with window dressing as being pro-female
switch the sexes of the couple and it would be reviled. you would have an aloof, uncaring gf (who is a total bitch in the director's cut) who was over the relationship but didn't have the balls to break it off dominating her victim-bf who has no agency. the bf finally grows the balls to break up with (and kill) the gf after he sees her getting raped (after being drugged).
yeah, that would NOT be well received.
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I think it reads more accurately at how groups (like this cult) take advantage of people's pain and insecurities and weaponize it for their own purposes
i agree with you, but that's not what the clever people are trying to turn it into.
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Still, Christian sucks a lot. I'm definitely on Team Cult on that one.
i didn't think he was that bad to his gf. total dick to his friend, though. supposedly the director's cut makes it clear he's an a-hole
it's just 2 passive-aggressive people in a relationship. he just seems like a dick b/c he's not fully empathetic with a gf who was hyperbolic-dramatic BEFORE her family tragedy. then he's stuck because he doesn't want to cause her more pain (while being passive-aggressive) while having no way to empathize with her current state. that doesn't make him a bad guy.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:07 am to Duzz
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Again, thanks to Christianity for wiping that barbarism out.
frickin' retard.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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switch the sexes of the couple and it would be reviled. you would have an aloof, uncaring gf (who is a total bitch in the director's cut) who was over the relationship but didn't have the balls to break it off dominating her victim-bf who has no agency. the bf finally grows the balls to break up with (and kill) the gf after he sees her getting raped (after being drugged).
Good post. As a woman, this was my take too. I thought Christian was actually a pretty good boyfriend from a real world (shades of gray) point of view. Clearcut good/bad characters actually really annoy me after a while.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:43 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
I honestly don't get the Christian hate. I know we're SUPPOSED to not like him, but he's not that bad at all.
Again, this is for the theatrical cut, b/c supposedly the director's cut is primarily adding in things to hit you over the head with him being a bad guy
Again, this is for the theatrical cut, b/c supposedly the director's cut is primarily adding in things to hit you over the head with him being a bad guy
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
- he forgot her birthday
- he invited her to go on the trip but did not want her to go on the trip
- he very obviously wanted to bang the chick before even being drugged
- he stole his friends thesis idea
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more things
and he certainly didn't deserve to die such a horrible death, but I thought there was plenty there to illustrate that he sucked
- he invited her to go on the trip but did not want her to go on the trip
- he very obviously wanted to bang the chick before even being drugged
- he stole his friends thesis idea
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more things
and he certainly didn't deserve to die such a horrible death, but I thought there was plenty there to illustrate that he sucked
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:51 pm to Salmon
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- he forgot her birthday
- he invited her to go on the trip but did not want her to go on the trip
- he very obviously wanted to bang the chick before even being drugged
If this gets you killed im living on borrowed time
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:52 pm to YumYum Sauce
lets hope you are not dating a clearly emotionally unstable person
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
I enjoy your take. Have you seen the movie Luce? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on it. I absolutely loved it and thought about long after the opening credits. It’s a very good movie if you enjoy seeing real humans on screen.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:06 pm to Salmon
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- he forgot her birthday
i may be misremembering, but wasn't he reminded before she knew that? and he still got her the cupcake or whatever without her telling him?
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- he invited her to go on the trip but did not want her to go on the trip
that's on her
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- he very obviously wanted to bang the chick before even being drugged
naw. they were foreshadowing something but i don't know if they really established this
hell she had to rape him, in the end, to get him to have sex with her
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- he stole his friends thesis idea
yeah i said he was a dick for THAT. i mean within his relationship
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:07 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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Have you seen the movie Luce?
no
i rarely get to watch good movies anymore
is it on any of the major streaming services?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
I watched it on my Apple TV. Not sure if it’s available anywhere else now. Casting is superb and should be required viewing for any family looking to adopt.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:From her perspective he "remembered" late in the day on her birthday. It was obvious to her (as it should have been) that he forgot.
i may be misremembering, but wasn't he reminded before she knew that? and he still got her the cupcake or whatever without her telling him?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:12 pm to Baloo
quote:I'm not so sure. I've struggled with how to think about the cult. It wasn't like they didn't actually believe AND have their own skin in the game. As such, to me this is different than if it were just some murder cult.
It's been getting billed as a feminist horror movie, but I think that's a pretty strained reading of the film. I think it reads more accurately at how groups (like this cult) take advantage of people's pain and insecurities and weaponize it for their own purposes. She's not liberated, she's turned into an empty vessel.
Thus, I don't think I agree with them "taking advantage" of her. True, they lured her in. But when she won the dance dealy, they kept with their tradition and crowned her. Most cults, to me, seem defined by having the Dear Leader at the top who is just taking advantage of dupes to get rich and/or get girls. This one, however, seemed "pure".
To me, the feminist aspect of the movie was the communal empathy - like when they all grieved in unison. I thought that was an interesting portrayal.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
The women were portrayed horribly in the film...all lacking redeeming qualities.
Have no idea why any critic would call this a feminist horror movie.
The women are either cowards, sluts or brainwashed morons.
And the movie is frankly dull...same pace but lacking any real ominous vibe like The Witch or even the dreadfully boring The Invitation.
Have no idea why any critic would call this a feminist horror movie.
The women are either cowards, sluts or brainwashed morons.
And the movie is frankly dull...same pace but lacking any real ominous vibe like The Witch or even the dreadfully boring The Invitation.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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i may be misremembering, but wasn't he reminded before she knew that? and he still got her the cupcake or whatever without her telling him?
She told Pelle. Pelle told Christian. That is when he got her the piece of cake.
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that's on her
Wait...what? How is that on her? Inviting someone to something when you definitely do NOT want them to go and then pretending that you definitely want her to go, AND telling your friends to pretend that they want them to go is a total dick move
How the hell is that on her when everyone is telling her that they want her to go?
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naw. they were foreshadowing something but i don't know if they really established this
hell she had to rape him, in the end, to get him to have sex with her
He was thinking about it hard. Too many long shots of him staring back at her to think that he wasn't seriously contemplating it. Dani even noticed it. It's part of the reasons why she was so upset when she saw him. She knew he was thinking about it.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:27 am to JS87
From what I’ve read, it seems vaguely similar to a Wicker Man setting. One review said that parts were unintentionally hilarious.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:56 am to Big Scrub TX
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I'm not so sure. I've struggled with how to think about the cult. It wasn't like they didn't actually believe AND have their own skin in the game. As such, to me this is different than if it were just some murder cult.
A fair point, but just because they had skin in the game didn't mean the weren't using her. They had to recruit people from outside the commune in order to complete the sacrifice. and while they do accept her into their community and essentially share her grief and pain, they do use her to kill Christian. they push her to a point where she willingly chooses to have her boyfriend killed rather than, ya know, one of the people responsible for murdering her friends.
Christian is such a passive aggressive, wishy washy piece of garbage that even when the Elder takes him into the room and approves him to mate with the girl, he has literally no reaction. He doesn't say yes or no, he just waits for the fates to take him wherever he goes. Take some damn responsibility for your life, son. It's why he couldn't just break up with his girlfriend (whose sister was likely murdered by the cult, look for the flowers in her death scene) or tell her not to come. He just went along with everything in life, unable or unwilling to be an active agent in his own life.
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