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M/TV board lawyers, do y’all really object in court as much as shows indicate?
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:21 pm
Been watching the good wife and they have an objection every frickin sentence in court. Maybe it really is like that, I have no idea.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 8:27 pm to JumpingTheShark
It's TV so the lawyer being objected to is probably being retarded and testifying for their clients.
I think you see way too many objections in lawyer TV shows/movies because:
A) it makes sense (see above)
B) to just create drama, antagonism and maybe show the lawyer is over-stepping their bounds.
TV/Movies don't like witnesses to testify, takes too long. They like lawyers to testify while examining or cross-examining the witness.
The one we all love is where the lawyer goes on some soliloquy to the jury while a witness is on the stand and you hear objection and the lawyer just waves his hand and says "withdrawn!"
And the objections are never the more technical ones that the average viewer isn't going to know...the boring ones. I think every objection in TV/Movies is Argumentative, Speculation, Hearsay and Inflammatory.
You'll never hear objections based on foundation of evidence, etc.
Worse most TV shows don't even state the objection, they just say objection! You see this in movies a lot where the judge has to say on what grounds? If the judge has to ask (then it's not going to be sustained.)
I think you see way too many objections in lawyer TV shows/movies because:
A) it makes sense (see above)
B) to just create drama, antagonism and maybe show the lawyer is over-stepping their bounds.
TV/Movies don't like witnesses to testify, takes too long. They like lawyers to testify while examining or cross-examining the witness.
The one we all love is where the lawyer goes on some soliloquy to the jury while a witness is on the stand and you hear objection and the lawyer just waves his hand and says "withdrawn!"
And the objections are never the more technical ones that the average viewer isn't going to know...the boring ones. I think every objection in TV/Movies is Argumentative, Speculation, Hearsay and Inflammatory.
You'll never hear objections based on foundation of evidence, etc.
Worse most TV shows don't even state the objection, they just say objection! You see this in movies a lot where the judge has to say on what grounds? If the judge has to ask (then it's not going to be sustained.)
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 8:34 pm to JumpingTheShark
Depends. Some are feisty and a pain in the arse.
One of my favorite things in movie/tv trials is how suddenly an attorney calls someone, say “I call Bob Gates to the stand!” and everyone in the courtroom gasps and someone says “I thought Gates was dead?!”
One of my favorite things in movie/tv trials is how suddenly an attorney calls someone, say “I call Bob Gates to the stand!” and everyone in the courtroom gasps and someone says “I thought Gates was dead?!”
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:11 pm to JumpingTheShark
No.
The Good Wife has completely unrealistic and incomprehensible court scenes. They can be entertaining, but they're a complete mess in terms of realism.
The Good Wife has completely unrealistic and incomprehensible court scenes. They can be entertaining, but they're a complete mess in terms of realism.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 9:23 pm to JumpingTheShark
In real life, the number of objections a lot of times is a reflection of how well the attorneys get along/respect each other.
If they respect each other and square off pretty often, there won’t be many objections and interruptions.
If they hate each other, it can be a long day.
If they respect each other and square off pretty often, there won’t be many objections and interruptions.
If they hate each other, it can be a long day.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:12 pm to Sus-Scrofa
The only time you really see a lot of objections is over a line of questioning that the judge has told one side or another to stay away from.
I've seen a murder trial where the defense objected like 10 times in a row to every question presented to a witness because the state was trying to get the witness to speak about what may have been going on in the defendant's head and his character.
Only "experts" are supposed to be able to testify to those aspects and this witness was not that.
If there are a lot of objections, the judge will usually call both attorneys to approach the bench and he'll tell them to cut the shite. He may do that 2 or 3 times if the objections continue.
Most hearings and trials (at least criminal ones) are pretty open and shut and one side (usually the state) has overwhelming evidence against the defendant.
TV lawyering is an over the top vaudeville act of emotions. Real trials are extremely boring and extremely precise in its presentation of the facts. Only the opening and closing statements or a good witness will it ever be that interesting.
I've seen a murder trial where the defense objected like 10 times in a row to every question presented to a witness because the state was trying to get the witness to speak about what may have been going on in the defendant's head and his character.
Only "experts" are supposed to be able to testify to those aspects and this witness was not that.
If there are a lot of objections, the judge will usually call both attorneys to approach the bench and he'll tell them to cut the shite. He may do that 2 or 3 times if the objections continue.
Most hearings and trials (at least criminal ones) are pretty open and shut and one side (usually the state) has overwhelming evidence against the defendant.
TV lawyering is an over the top vaudeville act of emotions. Real trials are extremely boring and extremely precise in its presentation of the facts. Only the opening and closing statements or a good witness will it ever be that interesting.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:38 pm to JumpingTheShark
I watch law shows/ movies and I feel Like they should object a lot more. A lot more.
Lawyers basically testify during witness examinations.
Lawyers basically testify during witness examinations.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:17 am to JumpingTheShark
Not usually unless you have a really shitty or assho opponent.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:30 am to JumpingTheShark
I’m more interested if any do opening statements like this:
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:39 am to JumpingTheShark
Typically, you get it on the record and if the judge doesn't back you up, you just make it continuing and he'll note it.
You want to object where you know you're getting a "sustain" in front of the jury and to otherwise preserve the issue on appeal. Other than that, you appear obstructive, IMHO.
Of course, there are very successful trial lawyers out there who object an awful lot. And some clients want a "bulldog", so some of that is client service as well. I just never got into that mode.
You want to object where you know you're getting a "sustain" in front of the jury and to otherwise preserve the issue on appeal. Other than that, you appear obstructive, IMHO.
Of course, there are very successful trial lawyers out there who object an awful lot. And some clients want a "bulldog", so some of that is client service as well. I just never got into that mode.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:49 am to JumpingTheShark
I just assume that everything involving the law is exactly like an episode of Suits.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Slopes have you seen the Netflix show “Criminal: UK”?
Basically the entire show is a scripted version of an interrogation or interview from police
It’s hilarious how little the lawyers do in this show. They stand right by as the client just incriminates themselves constantly and when they look at the lawyer for help they just look back at them like “hey man you should answer that question because I’m curious myself. You look like you did it too ya a-hole”
It’s hilllarious
Basically the entire show is a scripted version of an interrogation or interview from police
It’s hilarious how little the lawyers do in this show. They stand right by as the client just incriminates themselves constantly and when they look at the lawyer for help they just look back at them like “hey man you should answer that question because I’m curious myself. You look like you did it too ya a-hole”
It’s hilllarious
Posted on 9/21/20 at 1:57 pm to JumpingTheShark
In a general litigation context, Goliath, although a great show, repeatedly had some crazy plot-driver aspects. Like, a lawsuit or motion would be filed and the hearing was like the next day or so.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:07 am to JumpingTheShark
The amount of objections that have to be made a trial depend on the skill of the lawyer asking the questions, and the intellect of the person answering the questions.
New lawyer that has no idea how to try a case? Tons of objections.
Client that can’t get their story straight and a lawyer that’s helping too much? Tons of objections.
New lawyer that has no idea how to try a case? Tons of objections.
Client that can’t get their story straight and a lawyer that’s helping too much? Tons of objections.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:04 am to JumpingTheShark
I tried 2 episodes of Goliath and couldn't do it. I'm usually pretty good about understanding it's just entertainment but that was too much for me.
Guy files in State Court, and this big shot law firm is sitting on pins and needles about a low level associate writing a simple motion to dismiss - which is heard the very next day - and then granted, with ZERO explanation of the basis for the dismissal.
So they file in Fed Court (while the company's general counsel walks around screaming frick over and over b/c a lawsuit was filed against them??), and that suit is also dismissed the very next day - again, ZERO explanation of the grounds for the dismissal - and no contradictory hearing, or notice to the parties, or explanation for the judge granting it - he just kills the case because he wants to.
So they go back to State Court and re-file, because the lawyers were friends with the Judge's clerk, who apparently had the power to revive a suit as a favor?
I was out after that.
ETA - as far as objections go, I don't do it much. One, juries don't like it. Two, you are signaling to the jury (who may not be paying attention), that the other side just said something important that hurts your case and they should focus on it. I only object if I have to.
Guy files in State Court, and this big shot law firm is sitting on pins and needles about a low level associate writing a simple motion to dismiss - which is heard the very next day - and then granted, with ZERO explanation of the basis for the dismissal.
So they file in Fed Court (while the company's general counsel walks around screaming frick over and over b/c a lawsuit was filed against them??), and that suit is also dismissed the very next day - again, ZERO explanation of the grounds for the dismissal - and no contradictory hearing, or notice to the parties, or explanation for the judge granting it - he just kills the case because he wants to.
So they go back to State Court and re-file, because the lawyers were friends with the Judge's clerk, who apparently had the power to revive a suit as a favor?
I was out after that.
ETA - as far as objections go, I don't do it much. One, juries don't like it. Two, you are signaling to the jury (who may not be paying attention), that the other side just said something important that hurts your case and they should focus on it. I only object if I have to.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 11:14 am to JumpingTheShark
I probably haven't made an objection in a courtroom in 2 years
Posted on 9/22/20 at 11:28 am to JumpingTheShark
I have definitely been in trial and at depositions wherein nearly everything was objected to. Part of that is preserving for appeal and part of that is a dumbass lawyer doing dumbass things or a stickler lawyer being a jackass and objecting even over shite that doesn’t matter.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:29 pm to JumpingTheShark
I was a juror in a murder trial awhile back. Both the ADA and defense were throwing out objections left and right. Most of the time the judge sent us out for a few minutes so they could get it sorted.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:06 am to ISEN_AG
First time I ever saw a real trial I was amazed at how much goes on behind with the jury not present and how much the jury sometimes does not know about the defendant.
Past criminal records is a real biggy. The defendant can have numerous past felonies and the jury won't even know it.
Past criminal records is a real biggy. The defendant can have numerous past felonies and the jury won't even know it.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:04 am to JumpingTheShark
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M/TV board lawyers, do y’all really object in court as much as shows indicate?
I was in a jury selection pool and the plaintiff's lawyer yelled objection when the defense was talking to us and I wanted to yell out "tight"
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