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Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:41 am
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:41 am
Why did people think this would incite violence? and why are people so disgusted with the quote "what happens when you cross a mentally ill loner and a society that abandons him" I've also read several theories that all of this was a construct of Arthur's mind, and he imagined all of this while in a mental institution for killing his mother, do you have any opinions on said theory?
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 5:07 am to
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Why did people think this would incite violence? and why are people so disgusted with the quote "what happens when you cross a mentally ill loner and a society that abandons him"


The violence/incite fears were probably based on tDKR shooting. Valid fears or not, that did happen.

As far as the mentally ill loner comment, a lot of mass shooting have been by a pretty standard type. White, incel, picked on, reclusive, etc. I think that because that is a type a lot of people were all “wtf are you making this character relatable or pitiable for? We should just hate them.”

I really took this movie as giving the mentally ill and ostracized a voice (in a positive way.)

One of the saddest things that I remember about the Parkland shootings was that in the middle of all the “get rid of guns” comments from the kids, that one chick was asked about the shooter and she said,
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“Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him, that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him? You didn’t know this kid! OK? We did!”.


So you ostracized a person and then are angry when they lash out? I’m not justifying a person doing something so evil at all, but people ask how we can stop this without taking guns away, this movie is an insight into how somebody starts down that path.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51427 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:04 am to
It was the media pushing that narrative for clicks.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
13977 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:15 am to
I haven't seen this yet.

Is or was there any indication that we'll see a new batman associated with this movie?
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51427 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 12:12 pm to
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was there any indication that we'll see a new batman associated with this movie?


No batman in this universe.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
13977 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 12:17 pm to
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No batman in this universe.



That's too bad. I'd like to see the sorta batman they'd pair with this version of joker.

Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6534 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:35 pm to
Currently not planned but not off the table either
Posted by Doug_H
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2013
2278 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 10:40 am to
I hope not, I thought Joker was not very good. This movie could have been made without any ties to Joker/Batman, I feel like by putting the paint & green hair with the title that was just a cheap attempt to cash in off the Batman/Joker name.

I get the mentally ill vs “system” storyline, which is why I think it could have still been a decent movie made apart from Joker.

I get they took liberties with the story, but
-how do you have an “origin” story when Joker is like 40-45?
-nothing about him in this movie suggests that he could be a criminal mastermind
-How they make Thomas Wayne look like a dick?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30011 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 11:06 am to
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How they make Thomas Wayne look like a dick?


That's Arthur's warped recollection, not how Thomas Wayne actually was.
Posted by RPtoDoubleT
Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
505 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 2:25 pm to
Oh, Doug.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51427 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 2:30 pm to
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how do you have an “origin” story when Joker is like 40-45?


How do you know he's 40-45? Joaquin can easily pass for early 30s.

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-How they make Thomas Wayne look like a dick?


Ehh...when you think about it, he does nothing out of ordinary. He condemns the killings of those wall st guys, and punches a guy that attacked his butler and put his hands on his son.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79974 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 2:57 pm to
Flashpoint Thomas Wayne is a dick.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 2:59 pm to
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nothing about him in this movie suggests that he could be a criminal mastermind


Because he was never truly himself. He was always trying to fit in and be “normal“. It’s very plausible that whenever he just says frick it, I’m gonna be me and screw what anyone else thinks, that his brain would essentially be “unlocked” as well
Posted by Doug_H
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2013
2278 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 4:47 pm to
Sorry but to me he just definitely not early 30. Just checked and he is 45 in real life.

While nothing he did was “wrong”, we’d all have punched Joker and condemn murder, but again it just wasn’t spun into the best light, from my viewpoint at least.
Posted by Doug_H
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2013
2278 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 4:50 pm to
Oh... you...?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 7:57 pm to
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While nothing he did was “wrong”, we’d all have punched Joker and condemn murder, but again it just wasn’t spun into the best light, from my viewpoint at least.



And it’s clearly shown that Arthur is not a reliable narrator. We are shown Arthur’s point of view
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