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CCT
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Just finished Breaking Bad
Stunning. Saddening. The acting was so sharply on point during that final exchange between the two it actually made me emotional. I couldn’t believe the reaction I had.

I now understand better the anger that some GoT fans had about the last couple of episodes, especially the final scenes. I was at peace with the GoT ending, although I did feel it could have been done better...but now I feel it could have been done SO MUCH better to match the emotional carnage that the series used to pull us in and keep us watching/reading.


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
The movie will blow you away


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
Breaking Bad's ending was fantastic it wrapped up all the loose ends, it made sense and it validated the entire series for every character. GoT's ending(the last season)...not so much.


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
What do you know about the movie?


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GoT's ending(the last season)
Just finished this. Started from season 1 and binged all the way to the end in about a month and a half...

I feel for y'all that invested 8yrs into the show only to see that crappy 8th season. Still waiting on someone to pet Ghost wtf.


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I feel for y'all that invested 8yrs into the show only to see that crappy 8th season


I wonder how many have rewatched the series?


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bcoop199
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I feel for y'all that invested 8yrs into the show only to see that crappy 8th season. Still waiting on someone to pet Ghost wtf.


Pft..that's nothing...think about the people that have been invested in this story from the first book. The first book came out in 1996.


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
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The movie will blow you away



Spill it, not much out there about it.


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
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Spill it, not much out there about it.



All we know is Aaron Paul reprise his role as Jesse Pinkman after the events of Breaking Bad. Filming started in New Mexico back in February. It will be released on Netflix first, then will air later on AMC.


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it could have been done SO MUCH better to match the emotional carnage


IMO this is why GOT is one of the all time great series, but will never be considered one of the best. I always felt that it lacked in evoking the emotional aspect of characters upon the audience, either by acting and/or writing, even in the earlier seasons.


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
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I now understand better the anger that some GoT fans had about the last couple of episodes, especially the final scenes. I was at peace with the GoT ending, although I did feel it could have been done better...but now I feel it could have been done SO MUCH better to match the emotional carnage that the series used to pull us in and keep us watching/reading.


Honestly after Breaking Bad, my expectations for television are extremely high because I know what's possible, and all it takes it continuity and foresight to build to a real conclusion.

Normally, the industry is geared towards grand conclusions in the hopes of renewal next season, and maybe only a season or two is planned in advance.

For simple genres like soap operas this is manageable but for great television dramas, you're rehashing already resolved character conflicts and create jarring stories. I think Fringe is a great example of rebuilding a new and jarring grand conflict and rehashing already resolved personal conflicts in its final season because they really wrapped up thinking they wouldn't get renewed. Charlie Conway and the blonde had already fallen in love with each other, and some of the mystery felt retconned to put in the future timeline plot.

Ironically, Breaking Bad almost suffered this from this phenomena, as the Gus's face burnt in half could have been the finale, but the writing never fast forwarded any of the conflict or character development. They may have wanted more plot resolution and the final season was the real ending, but they weren't going to sacrifice the things that made the show great, mainly the logical progression of "breaking bad" to deliver it.

With GoT, the "Targaryen madness" about flipping a coin and holding their breath, was completely undercut and self contradictory. "Madness" can be frame a couple of ways, and it is in the books. One, it can be just absolutely mad from the get go, or they slip in to it.

Ser Barristan tells Dany the truth about the Mad King

Dany's clearly not the type that's born mad, and she's inspired those that know best that she's not her dad's son. Not just that, but that she's not like any of the rulers in Westeros at all, she is about "breaking the wheel". So knowing her turn to Mad Queen is the inevitable goal, how do you get there? Do you do it like Walter White, or do you do it like Anakin Skywalker?

Honestly, neither, as those turns were compromising morals and shifting principles in the pursuit of power. Walter being the perfect example of that. At what point does he truly break bad? Is it the third episode of the entire series? Is he the monster already for killing that guy largely in self defense? Is he completely irredeemable at that point? What about when he turns down the money from his ex partner that would make his meth cooking pointless? Was it when he refuses to save that chick choking on her own vomit? Is it when he runs over those dealers in his Aztec to save Jessie? The "I am the one who knocks" part? The poisoning of the child to bring Jesse back?

Even when you decide on a point where he's truly evil, the second worst thing he'd done up to that point was evil as well. It all relates to Walt's ego, his desire for power to do it his way, and this beautiful slip that in a large way doesn't matter where it began. His moral relativism from the very beginning made every choice logical. He was never turning back in the pursuit of power, and that was the evil.

But this is different than madness. Cersei was evil. She had no problem killing innocents, punishing her victims, betraying those she loved, or acting preemptively with violence.

This wasn't Dany.

Varys, supposedly the one that's "right" in the end, even gets this up to Season 6. Using violence and dragons isn't itself evil or mad. When Drogon burned an innocent farm child alive, Dany was heartbroken and locked up her other two dragons to prevent it from happening again. "Fire and Blood" was seen as just in Essos, and Varys saw it totally appropriate that Dany execute thousands of others, but the Tarlys were too far? That's the slipping in to madness? The punishment for treason is death. Tyrion suggests as an alternative to this would be to send Randyll to Castle Black, something he refused. So Dany executed them. Ned Stark did this. Jon did this. This in of itself isn't madness, nor close to it. Did she enjoy it? Was she vindictive? Was their bloodlust behind it?

From that point, she saves Jon, tries to compromise with Cersei, and fights the dead. She listens to terrible advice from Tyrion the entire way, and suffers mightily for it. So what was the point she "finally" slipped in to madness?

When Jon wouldn't bang her and no one left in her life loved her?

When she learned Jon's history got out and everyone in Westeros would "deny" her claim? Why?

What if she married Jon?

Her entire way of winning loyalty and love was just out the window and if it was no longer by birthright it was just fricked because of a "better" claim GoT has repeatedly shown means jack shit?

What was the significance of the burning all of King's Landing and not just Cersei?

When the bells rang, it meant Cersei wasn't going to be killed in battle. The city was surrendering and she would be executed after her quick capture. So Dany was mad she wasn't destroying the city in order to conquer it?

She wanted Cersei to be terrified in her death? She wanted to express the violence? Okay, then why burn the entire city? Why burn the commoners? How is that punishing Cersei?

How is that punishing the Lords of Westeros or get them to bend the knee?

Was it to send a message of her impending conquest like she gave in that speech to her army in the finale? If that's the case, when did she decide that? And why?

Was it because she realized she'd never have the home she wanted?

That she'd never be loved again?

That "conquest" was the only way she'd be loved?

And what about her love for Jon? What did she love about him? She just wanted him to bend the knee? Or did she look down to him?

Why did Jon reject her exactly? Is it because of the aunt thing? Was it because he didn't want to sit next to her on the throne? Why not discuss that?

There are some themes there that could make sense if played out and developed, but a slip in to madness is just that, a slip. Walter White's pursuit of power caused him to constantly shift his morals to reach his goal. This didn't make him mad, it made him evil. Dany's pursuit of power never caused her to shift her morals, and she wasn't "evil" until she was mad, and her madness wasn't gradual, it was a completely irrational snap in the second to last episode that made her lose every other bit of rationality and motivation along the way.

Yes, GoT fans were robbed.


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ParIV
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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
Now time to start Better Call Saul!


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
Breaking bad does that.

It is the bar that all other shows compare to. Game of thrones had potential..

But game of thrones chose a half measure, when they should have gone all the way.


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SEClint
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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
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What do you know about the movie?



Unfortunately too much. I'm trying to stay away from any stills, info or etc.

I want to go in almost blind to whatever Vince is cooking up.


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hogcard1964
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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
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All we know is Aaron Paul reprise his role as Jesse Pinkman after the events of Breaking Bad. Filming started in New Mexico back in February. It will be released on Netflix first, then will air later on AMC.


It's a movie or a series?


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re: Just finished Breaking Bad
Movie

Will come out on Netflix first, then will be aired on amc.


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blueboy
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It will be released on Netflix first, then will air later on AMC.


Not the tour de force release I was expecting.

I just think it's pointless. Saul is a character that can support a spinoff TV show. This is just a strained continuation of a story that ended perfectly and completely.

Yeah, I'm sure they could have old enemies emerge and force Jesse to make meth or try to kill him or Walt's family over old issues, but why, other than to make more money?


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I just think it's pointless. Saul is a character that can support a spinoff TV show. This is just a strained continuation of a story that ended perfectly and completely. 


I am just guessing, but I think it's going to connect with the Gene timeline.

It doesn't make sense to try and squeeze this in while also doing Saul, unless the movie and Gene crossover into each other in some way.


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Yeah, I'm sure they could have old enemies emerge and force Jesse to make meth or try to kill him or Walt's family over old issues, but why, other than to make more money?



I think Jesse feels like he owes.

Brock, Kaylee and the family of drew sharp.

He may know where the rest of Walts money is.his fingerprints are all over that lab, and if Todd kept the confession..cause he hangs on to weird shit, itll be his confession and put him as the last person with hank and Steve Gomez.

He may not GAF about being caught, he may just be trying to get security to families and people.

I'd like to see a scene with him randomly defending Walter Jr from bullies or some shite. Like on a bus or at some stop..Jr doesnt know him and they've never been on screen together.
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