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Just Finished Binge-Watching "Picard". Spoilers Included
Posted on 3/27/20 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 7:50 am
I took the free-week option to sign up for CBS All-Access to do this because after ST: Discovery I won't pay for this product again.
I know there was an older thread but this is from the perspective of watching all episodes back-to-back rather than the weekly picking it apart. When you have a week between each episode you can take a lot of time to nit-pick.
With that said, It was probably a good thing that I did the Binge format because after watching an episode that had issues in it that bothered me the next episode or 2 either entertained me enough to no think about it or something even more bothersome popped up.
Overall, it was a good "Sci-Fi" story but definitely not the "Star Trek" we grew up on. Roddenberry's Star Trek envisioned a future that is hopeful and times worth looking forward to. This version has turned the Federation and Star fleet into the cynical, selfish world of the 21st Century that we are living in right down to the "Gotcha" Journalism...
This felt much more like The Blade Runner than Star Trek as I believe was mentioned in another thread. Very dark and edgy. There are Cannon issues but not nearly as bad as Discovery. It was a little hard to see how feeble Patrick Stewart has become. He has lost that powerful Shakespearean commanding voice to that of a rather feeble sounding person and that was hard to watch.
Jeri Ryan is still smoking hot for a woman in her 50's. I miss her more controlled 7 of 9 from Voyager persona but after 20+ years I guess she had to evolve. I wasn't thrilled with the Ichab killing and would have liked a little backstory to what happened with Anika after Voyager returned with her relationship to Chakotay and Janeway.
I didn't mind the "Synth" story aside from it feeling too Blade Runner as I stated. Star Trek had dealt with rogue Androids going all the way back to TOS so I was okay with this.
The Space Ship scenes looked like a damn video game. Horrible FX. The final episode where Star Fleet finally showed up with Riker facing the Romulan War birds was pathetic. All of the ships were identical and as I mentioned, looked like a bad video game. The ships from the 90's Star Trek shows looks much better and more "real".
The Death of Picard didn't even bother me. Again, Star Trek has had "mind-transfers" from real people into android bodies since TOS. I didn't care for them programming his new body to essentially only give him a few years to live. I guess they had to figure out a way to keep this new body as Patrick Stewart is in real life.
Finally, instead of Picard returning to Star Fleet in glory he has assembled a Star Trek version of "Guardians of the Galaxy".
It was Okay. Not great.
I know there was an older thread but this is from the perspective of watching all episodes back-to-back rather than the weekly picking it apart. When you have a week between each episode you can take a lot of time to nit-pick.
With that said, It was probably a good thing that I did the Binge format because after watching an episode that had issues in it that bothered me the next episode or 2 either entertained me enough to no think about it or something even more bothersome popped up.
Overall, it was a good "Sci-Fi" story but definitely not the "Star Trek" we grew up on. Roddenberry's Star Trek envisioned a future that is hopeful and times worth looking forward to. This version has turned the Federation and Star fleet into the cynical, selfish world of the 21st Century that we are living in right down to the "Gotcha" Journalism...
This felt much more like The Blade Runner than Star Trek as I believe was mentioned in another thread. Very dark and edgy. There are Cannon issues but not nearly as bad as Discovery. It was a little hard to see how feeble Patrick Stewart has become. He has lost that powerful Shakespearean commanding voice to that of a rather feeble sounding person and that was hard to watch.
Jeri Ryan is still smoking hot for a woman in her 50's. I miss her more controlled 7 of 9 from Voyager persona but after 20+ years I guess she had to evolve. I wasn't thrilled with the Ichab killing and would have liked a little backstory to what happened with Anika after Voyager returned with her relationship to Chakotay and Janeway.
I didn't mind the "Synth" story aside from it feeling too Blade Runner as I stated. Star Trek had dealt with rogue Androids going all the way back to TOS so I was okay with this.
The Space Ship scenes looked like a damn video game. Horrible FX. The final episode where Star Fleet finally showed up with Riker facing the Romulan War birds was pathetic. All of the ships were identical and as I mentioned, looked like a bad video game. The ships from the 90's Star Trek shows looks much better and more "real".
The Death of Picard didn't even bother me. Again, Star Trek has had "mind-transfers" from real people into android bodies since TOS. I didn't care for them programming his new body to essentially only give him a few years to live. I guess they had to figure out a way to keep this new body as Patrick Stewart is in real life.
Finally, instead of Picard returning to Star Fleet in glory he has assembled a Star Trek version of "Guardians of the Galaxy".
It was Okay. Not great.
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:14 am to CU_Tigers4life
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This version has turned the Federation and Star fleet into the cynical, selfish world of the 21st Century that we are living in right down to the "Gotcha" Journalism...
this is this series mortal sin if you ask me. this is not trek. this is patrick stewart and the rest of hollywood adding politics into yet another show where they don't belong. red letter media has nailed this show in their reviews. if you haven't watched i recommend it.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:28 am to CU_Tigers4life
I've enjoyed the series for what it is. I guess I didn't go into it thinking it was going to be like TNG. There were some very bleh parts. But the good parts were really good. The Picard/Data scenes were heartwarming.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:36 am to CU_Tigers4life
I quit after 4 episodes.
Any mention in the show on whatever became of the Enterprise E?
Any mention in the show on whatever became of the Enterprise E?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:53 am to Loungefly85
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I quit after 4 episodes.
Any mention in the show on whatever became of the Enterprise E?
Nope..Not a mention. The 2-part finale had Picard trying to call Star Fleet pleading for help from the large Romulan fleet coming to wipe out the Synth-Home-world that Picard found. Finally as it looks like the Romulan armada (Full of identical and cartoon/video game-looking Warbirds) Riker shows up with Star Fleet's Armada (Of identical Star ships also looking like a Cartoon/Video game.
The only thing we really found out about Star Fleet in general this year is that they've become assholes.
Here's an image I copied of the fleet:
There was one other I failed to mention as I almost forgot and it looks like 7 of 9 is now into chicks as she was shown in the finale scene hand-in-hand with a new flame, Raffi Musiker. They had to squeeze in the token LGTBQ segment.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:04 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:01 am to CU_Tigers4life
I really liked the Data send-off scene. That was great.
The transferring of Picard to a synth body...ugh.
The transferring of Picard to a synth body...ugh.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:07 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I initially gave up after ep04 as it was seemingly going nowhere
But thanks to Wuhan, I reluctantly finished it last nite. It got progressively worse, I thought it peaked during the opening episodes, and went steadily downhill to the bitter end.
some of the crap they shoehorned in at the end was almost insulting
Just awful. You really got a special appointment as captain to lead an armada in under 72hours? How convenient
We cant cure your brain cloud, but we can transfer your entire consciousness into a synthetic body? Did you have Thor's hammer to help?
Murder sugar daddy boyfriend with a pillow? Totally forgiven
So many bad plot points, and for the 5th time - how fricking terrible of an actress is the Raffi character? She ruins every scene she's in.
But thanks to Wuhan, I reluctantly finished it last nite. It got progressively worse, I thought it peaked during the opening episodes, and went steadily downhill to the bitter end.
some of the crap they shoehorned in at the end was almost insulting
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Riker facing the Romulan War birds was pathetic
Just awful. You really got a special appointment as captain to lead an armada in under 72hours? How convenient
We cant cure your brain cloud, but we can transfer your entire consciousness into a synthetic body? Did you have Thor's hammer to help?
Murder sugar daddy boyfriend with a pillow? Totally forgiven
So many bad plot points, and for the 5th time - how fricking terrible of an actress is the Raffi character? She ruins every scene she's in.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 12:02 pm to geauxtigers87
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this is this series mortal sin if you ask me. this is not trek. this is patrick stewart and the rest of hollywood adding politics into yet another show where they don't belong. red letter media has nailed this show in their reviews. if you haven't watched i recommend it.
2nd this
Then watch 10 hrs of Best of the Worst to get your mood back up.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:52 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I'm watch a live streaming interview with J. G. Hertzler (Gen. Martok) and he is ripping Picard to shreds and it's hilarious.
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:35 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I'm just pissed that we didn't get a Geordi cameo.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:08 pm to GetCocky11
Good. Because this garbage arse show ain’t Trek.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 7:33 am to CU_Tigers4life
So I just finished the last episode. I also just cancelled All Access.
This isn’t Star Trek. Picard is a much better character than to be relegated to what I’d equate to being a lost puppy.
Romulan conspiracy? Stat fleet infiltrated? And no Janeway? No LaForge? Riker and Troi relegated to a cameo? (Which not coincidentally was the best episode) And supposedly Worf has the Enterprise, and he doesn’t show out for his former captain?
This isn’t what Roddenberry envisioned for Trek.
Edit: And I know they are trying to make some grand political statement about current times. But they’re fricking stupid. TOS featured a multi cultural crew including a black woman in a time where it was taboo. The whole point was that humanity had grown past cultural and social differences. In fact, if you read behind the canon history towards the eugenics wars, it’s even more relevant to present that contrast now considering the way the world has changed.
This isn’t Star Trek. Picard is a much better character than to be relegated to what I’d equate to being a lost puppy.
Romulan conspiracy? Stat fleet infiltrated? And no Janeway? No LaForge? Riker and Troi relegated to a cameo? (Which not coincidentally was the best episode) And supposedly Worf has the Enterprise, and he doesn’t show out for his former captain?
This isn’t what Roddenberry envisioned for Trek.
Edit: And I know they are trying to make some grand political statement about current times. But they’re fricking stupid. TOS featured a multi cultural crew including a black woman in a time where it was taboo. The whole point was that humanity had grown past cultural and social differences. In fact, if you read behind the canon history towards the eugenics wars, it’s even more relevant to present that contrast now considering the way the world has changed.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 7:40 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 7:52 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Here's an image I copied of the fleet:
This is a pet peeve of mine that a few shows and movies have done recently. Here is our giant fleet... all so close to each other they are practically touching. If just one ship blows up it would set off a chain reaction. You can't possibly turn or maneuver. It just looks dumb.
Space is big. Go for a wider shot and a more spread out fleet.
As for the show itself. I made it through two episodes before giving up and starting a Warehouse 13 rewatch. Star Trek Online did a vastly better job with their setting and background story than Picard did.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 7:57 am to elprez00
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Edit: And I know they are trying to make some grand political statement about current times. But they’re fricking stupid. TOS featured a multi cultural crew including a black woman in a time where it was taboo. The whole point was that humanity had grown past cultural and social differences. In fact, if you read behind the canon history towards the eugenics wars, it’s even more relevant to present that contrast now considering the way the world has changed.
The big difference in the way that Roddenberry addressed the current social issues of the time was done in a way that the Federation and society of the future had evolved above our pretty differences...Example: The Half Black Half white episode where the crew of the Enterprise truly didn't understand the concept of racism...
In The Kurtzman/JJ Trek era, that hopeful future is now a society that is just like the one we are living in with more tech that is very "in your face" rather than a more subtle insertion into the main story.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 7:59 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:41 am to Arksulli
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This is a pet peeve of mine that a few shows and movies have done recently. Here is our giant fleet... all so close to each other they are practically touching.
Think about the battle against the Borg cube in First Contact. Watching the Defiant weave it’s way through ships of different design, class, and size. And that movie was made 24 years ago. Think of how easy that is to do now, no physical models required. But no, let’s design one ship and copy/paste 300 times.
Ugh
Posted on 3/29/20 at 1:13 pm to elprez00
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Think about the battle against the Borg cube in First Contact. Watching the Defiant weave it’s way through ships of different design, class, and size. And that movie was made 24 years ago. Think of how easy that is to do now, no physical models required. But no, let’s design one ship and copy/paste 300 times.
Ugh
Hell, think about some of the battles from DS9, a show that did not have a huge budget. Yet they had different ship classes, exciting visuals, and everything made sense.
If you are going to do a Sci-fi series you can't be lazy about your visuals. There is no reason to. "We wanted to concentrate on the political elements!" Well than you are arse should have done the West Wing Part 2, Presidential Boogaloo.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 1:55 pm to Arksulli
It was a disappointing showing. It was too much while also being not enough. I wanted to be reminded of what I loved about the Next Generation. The maneuvering and chess match qualities of a ship to ship confrontation, the contemplative angst of what makes and keeps us humans, and the science that rang true even if it was extrapolated from our current knowledge. This show had none of it and I was very much looking forward to it.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:34 pm to BigAppleTiger
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It was a disappointing showing. It was too much while also being not enough. I wanted to be reminded of what I loved about the Next Generation. The maneuvering and chess match qualities of a ship to ship confrontation, the contemplative angst of what makes and keeps us humans, and the science that rang true even if it was extrapolated from our current knowledge. This show had none of it and I was very much looking forward to it.
It isn't the shows or movies we knew were going to be disasters going in that disappoint us. It is the ones we had high hopes for and turn out to be worthless. That is why so many of us get the twitches when the Disney Star Wars movies are mentioned.
We all had, if not high hopes, than expectations that Picard would carry on the Star Trek we all loved. Instead we got the show we got.
The big thing for film makers right now is "subverting people's expectations!" Here is thing though.
Sometimes we don't want our expectations to be subverted. Actually, most of the time we don't want them to be subverted. If I go into a movie expecting, as an example, a comedy and instead get a dark movie about children slowly dying of cancer I'm not going to be a happy camper.
If I am watching Star Trek than I expect Star Trek. I don't expect Blade Runner. Not saying there is anything wrong with Blade Runner. But it wasn't what I was tuning in to see thank you.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:45 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I liked it for the most part, but I couldn't get away from the point about it not being Blade Runner. The point of it ending up being Guardians of the Star Trek Galaxy is strong as well.
Star Trek was originally a story of the hope and positivity in a strange and complex universe. In setting an evolved humanity above petty "isms" it sought to give us a glimpse of an endpoint for us to travel toward.
I liked the first season of Discovery, the 2nd season was "meh" and Picard was good, but they weren't really Rodenberry's Star Trek vision.
Star Trek was originally a story of the hope and positivity in a strange and complex universe. In setting an evolved humanity above petty "isms" it sought to give us a glimpse of an endpoint for us to travel toward.
I liked the first season of Discovery, the 2nd season was "meh" and Picard was good, but they weren't really Rodenberry's Star Trek vision.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:20 pm to Bard
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The point of it ending up being Guardians of the Star Trek Galaxy is strong as well.
Maybe they should rename the series "The Picardians of the Galaxy"
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