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re: Jesse Pinkman
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:34 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:34 am to Pandy Fackler
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What makes this topic a troll?
well for starters, you're one of the worst on the entire website so just comb through your post history if you must.
The reason I assumed this was one was the definitive nature of the post, when there are clear and obvious examples. I wasn't going to bother but here are a few:
-Most notably his interaction wiht the redhead kid with crackhead parents. He looked after the kid, tried to make sure he was warm, tried to hid him from his horrible and neglectful parents, and when his parents were out of the picture he called the authorities to come get the kid and remove him from that situation
-His affection and interactions with brock. It's obvious jesse is good with kids and enjoys them
-He was a good bf to both jane and andrea. When he started to have feelings for jane he gave up some of his predispositions to do things that he knew would make her happy like go to the museum
-When his parents find a joint at their house he takes the blame even though it belonged to his little brother, knowing that it would lead to further ruining that relationship and getting him kicked out of the house
-It was shown repeatedly thorughout BB that jesse was averse to violence and did not want to hurt poeple. He did kill 1 person and was clearly distraught about it, but prior to that there were several other times (the first few episodes with the spanish dude locked in the basement, also when walt told jesse to go kill the crackhead couple that held him up) where he either had a chance to or was told to hurt someone and he woudln't do it
I'm not saying jesse is a great person and humanitarian, he was obviously a drug producer and dealer and did some bad things. But to say he had "NO REDEEMING QUALITIES WHATSOEVER" is jsut retarded. He clearly did.
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Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:37 am to WG_Dawg
I didn't read all that. Thanks for trying though. It's kind of you.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:46 am to MidnightVibe
Jesse wasn’t allowed to have redeeming qualities because of Walt. It’s why the diner scene from El Camino was so good. It was a moment when Walt tried to steer Jesse to something good and positive, but Walt’s selfishness continued to ruin Jesse’s life.
I agree Jesse was a piece of shite but ultimately he was young and thrown into his worst vices because of Walt’s desire to build a drug empire.
I agree Jesse was a piece of shite but ultimately he was young and thrown into his worst vices because of Walt’s desire to build a drug empire.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:52 am to StringedInstruments
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Jesse wasn’t allowed to have redeeming qualities because of Walt. It’s why the diner scene from El Camino was so good. It was a moment when Walt tried to steer Jesse to something good and positive, but Walt’s selfishness continued to ruin Jesse’s life.
I agree Jesse was a piece of shite but ultimately he was young and thrown into his worst vices because of Walt’s desire to build a drug empire.
There's iron in your words as well.
It's easy to forget walt was an intelligent manipulator and jessie was a not so bright easy to mold kid.
But jessie was still a trashy scumbag right there with badger and skinny pete before he ever met walt.
With walt, he simply self actualized.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:58 am to WG_Dawg
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He was a good bf to both jane and andrea.
His weaknesses and flaws got them both killed.
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jesse was averse to violence and did not want to hurt poeple.
Except his customers. Jesse was kind of the opposite side of Walt - wanted to be a hotshot meth cook/drug dealer, but unwilling to do the distasteful (but necessary) things to be successful in that business (while Walt was sometimes TOO willing).
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:12 am to WG_Dawg
I appreciate your cherry picking, but its a very positive way of looking at it. Jesse was a horrible bf who caused the death of both. People blame Walt for Jane. But she relapsed cause of Jesse and OD'd with Jesse sleeping beside her. Saying Walt killed her by accidently rolling her over is a major stretch. Andrea is all on Jesse.
Jesse sold Walt out. He was a traitor. Walt and Gus both manipulated Jesse to kill each other. Jesse swapped sides until Walt poisoned the kid. Without doing that, Walt and he entire family is wiped out and Jesse is dead in a few months after another chemist learns his formula. Jesse was too dumb to understand that. Gus isn't resting his whole operation on Jesse's back.
Jesse was always going to be a frick up. He was out clean with millions of dollars and couldn't find a purpose or build a life. He could have sold the house and took Andrea/Brock anywhere plus funneled money to that family. He could have hired hit men to kill Todd and the crew from hundreds of miles away with no trace or connection. Walt was right. He had no life, direction or idea what he wanted..
Jesse sold Walt out. He was a traitor. Walt and Gus both manipulated Jesse to kill each other. Jesse swapped sides until Walt poisoned the kid. Without doing that, Walt and he entire family is wiped out and Jesse is dead in a few months after another chemist learns his formula. Jesse was too dumb to understand that. Gus isn't resting his whole operation on Jesse's back.
Jesse was always going to be a frick up. He was out clean with millions of dollars and couldn't find a purpose or build a life. He could have sold the house and took Andrea/Brock anywhere plus funneled money to that family. He could have hired hit men to kill Todd and the crew from hundreds of miles away with no trace or connection. Walt was right. He had no life, direction or idea what he wanted..
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:20 am to Ace Midnight
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wanted to be a hotshot meth cook/drug dealer, but unwilling to do the distasteful (but necessary) things to be successful in that business
so you're saying he realized what it took to be a big kingpin (ruthlessness, violence, killing, no regard for others) and was unwilling to do so? Kinda sounds somewhat like a redeeming quality
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:20 am to brmark70816
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I appreciate your cherry picking,
how is that cherry picking? The OP asserted there were no redeeming qualities whatsoever about jesse. I provided examples of some of them.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:36 am to WG_Dawg
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Kinda sounds somewhat like a redeeming quality
I will concede he was kind to kids and seemed to genuinely care about their welfare.
But, as far as adults, it was a weakness - he wanted to be it, but he didn't want to do it. A classic dilemma that isn't necessarily indicative of high moral character.
The El Camino epilogue shows some growth, as he seemed relatively content with his situation (compared to how chafing the incognito lifestyle seemed to be to Walt). Jesse didn't have a terrible character arc, all in, but he was hard to like and even harder to find redeemable.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:39 am to Ace Midnight
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I will concede he was kind to kids and seemed to genuinely care about their welfare.
which proves the OP wrong.
Again, I never said jesse was a standup dude that should be celebrated or praised. Simply pointed out that yes he in fact does have one or 2 redeeming qulalities.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:04 am to MidnightVibe
I like Jessie. He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and part of that is on him, but he might have just had bad genes. I don't think he had the best parents either.
He cared about people that had no one else caring about them. He took care of the aunt he lived with until she died. He got Brock off the streets, and tried to help Brock's mom financially. He was true to his boys.
He reminds me of some people from my past. They would do anything for their worthless friends, but couldn't help themselves.
The show wouldn't have been interesting without him.
He cared about people that had no one else caring about them. He took care of the aunt he lived with until she died. He got Brock off the streets, and tried to help Brock's mom financially. He was true to his boys.
He reminds me of some people from my past. They would do anything for their worthless friends, but couldn't help themselves.
The show wouldn't have been interesting without him.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:25 am to Lsut81
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I just finished another rewatch of BB, think it was my 3rd or 4th, along with El Camino... for some reason I disliked Jesse more after this one.
I watched it again, and I hate him much more than before.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:40 am to MidnightVibe
Apparently no one who's watched this show understands this character at all.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:59 am to Ace Midnight
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His weaknesses and flaws got them both killed.
Jane would have done heroin again, and overdosed without Jessie.
She seduced him like the snake seduced Eve.
She was just slumming. He was in love.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:09 pm to chinese58
No she wouldn’t have.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:16 pm to King George
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Apparently no one who's watched this show understands this character at all.
Do tell, smart guy
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:17 pm to MidnightVibe
I don’t think I’ve ever wanted to punch a character’s face so hard
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:19 pm to brmark70816
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Andrea is all on Jesse.
so its Jesse's fault he was held in slavery in order to cook meth for Neo-Nazis and tried to escape?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
The puzzling thing is, I think we’re supposed to like Jesse. We’re obviously supposed to hate Skylar. I get that.
But I think we’re supposed to like Jesse. My how I hate him.
But I think we’re supposed to like Jesse. My how I hate him.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:37 pm to WG_Dawg
The problem with Jesse:
1. He was a terrible criminal. He was a terrible cook (at first) and wouldn't listen to expert advice from Walt. He was too emotional to be anything but a street-level dealer. Without Walt his future was looking very very dim (prison or early death). People admire competence, and Jesse didn't have any.
2. Jesse's supposedly redeeming character quality--having a conscience--didn't stop him from killing Gale, and it didn't drive him to shut down a massive drug operation by going to the feds with what he knew. His conscience didn't achieve anything positive (except in a few minor ways mentioned).
Jesse was bad at being a bad guy, and he was bad at being a good guy. So yeah, I would say it's hard to find any redeeming qualities.
1. He was a terrible criminal. He was a terrible cook (at first) and wouldn't listen to expert advice from Walt. He was too emotional to be anything but a street-level dealer. Without Walt his future was looking very very dim (prison or early death). People admire competence, and Jesse didn't have any.
2. Jesse's supposedly redeeming character quality--having a conscience--didn't stop him from killing Gale, and it didn't drive him to shut down a massive drug operation by going to the feds with what he knew. His conscience didn't achieve anything positive (except in a few minor ways mentioned).
Jesse was bad at being a bad guy, and he was bad at being a good guy. So yeah, I would say it's hard to find any redeeming qualities.
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