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Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:45 pm to OMLandshark
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I like that, because really it just shows how fricking embarrassing we've become as a species. We haven't technically left the Earth's atmosphere since 1972, and we've become really stagnant as a species obsessed with pointless bullshite.
completely agree,,,
take a look for instance at the extravagant shite being built in dubai, not that I'm against opulence per say, this is just an example of what is possible in this day and age and yet we are stifled from building great things in this country mostly due to arrogant, greedy self interested government that sucks the life blood from the industrious to propagate itself.
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Trivializing the single greatest thing we've done as a species is propaganda to make people just focus on their immediate livelihood rather focusing on dreams and ideas.
socialism at its root core, sacrificing dreams and striving for greatness to ensure the lowest common denominators are not "left behind".
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:32 pm to Ping Pong
Furious 7 is out. Go see that. I bet it isn't boring.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:03 am to Jagd Tiger
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this is just an example of what is possible in this day and age and yet we are stifled from building great things in this country mostly due to arrogant, greedy self interested government that sucks the life blood from the industrious to propagate itself.
See I thought that was a key point to the whole theme of the movie. The 5th dimension humans from the future could have simplified things and just sent a magic vessel or something (who knows)
instead they wanted mankind to regain their sense of wonder and exploration that they had obviously lost. I thought that was glaringly obvious? The whole purpose of the wild goose chase was to get mankind to stop being "caretakers" and inspire a whole new age of exploration.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:08 am to YumYum Sauce
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See I thought that was a key point to the whole theme of the movie. The 5th dimension humans from the future could have simplified things and just sent a magic vessel or something (who knows)
instead they wanted mankind to regain their sense of wonder and exploration that they had obviously lost. I thought that was glaringly obvious? The whole purpose of the wild goose chase was to get mankind to stop being "caretakers" and inspire a whole new age of exploration.
Yeah, that's the point that people are missing. That's why they just don't give us the equation, but pushes us in the right direction.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:09 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, that's the point that people are missing. That's why they just don't give us the equation, but pushes us in the right direction.
Is Wille E Coyote running the 5th dimension? It was a harebrained scheme that likely would not and should not have worked. If these future 5 dimensional aliens were in fact human... their survival depended upon the plan to work. Why not come up with the most foolproof plan possible?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:16 am to BoostAddict
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Is Wille E Coyote running the 5th dimension? It was a harebrained scheme that likely would not and should not have worked. If these future 5 dimensional aliens were in fact human... their survival depended upon the plan to work. Why not come up with the most foolproof plan possible?
Because they're fifth dimensional beings. They KNOW it will work since they they can see into the past, present, and future simultaneously. It's like saying if I could see into the future and know what the bracket will be for March Madness, that I shouldn't be able to get it right. Yes, it's a trillion to one shot if I have no knowledge of what's going to happen, but if I already have the knowledge, then it's no issue.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:19 am to BoostAddict
The more I think about it, and the 5th dimension explanations, the funnier it gets.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:37 pm to OMLandshark
I get how the 5th dimension works... Do you not see the paradox here though?
Can you just fricking admit there are a few plotholes and issues with the movie but you still enjoyed it immensely?
Can you just fricking admit there are a few plotholes and issues with the movie but you still enjoyed it immensely?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:39 pm to BoostAddict
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Can you just fricking admit there are a few plotholes and issues with EVER SINGLE movie made
FTFY
And absolutely.
Very few films are made as well or with as much care as Interstellar - Nolan, with his own material, is in the same league as Ford, Huston, Kramer, Kubrick, Lynch, Ridley Scott, the Coens, Eastwood - it is as visually stunning as any film since 2001 (to which it is a clear, overt homage).
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:42 pm to BoostAddict
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I get how the 5th dimension works...
Apparently not.
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Do you not see the paradox here though?
Can you just fricking admit there are a few plotholes and issues with the movie but you still enjoyed it immensely?
There is no paradox. The 5th dimensional aliens knew exactly what was going to happen. Them not beaming down the exact equation to gravity is not a plothole or a paradox. It's kind of the point
And I've said that the film isn't perfect and it has a plothole or two, but this is not one of them.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:52 pm to OMLandshark
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Because they're fifth dimensional beings. They KNOW it will work since they they can see into the past, present, and future simultaneously. It's like saying if I could see into the future and know what the bracket will be for March Madness, that I shouldn't be able to get it right
this was just a plot device created by Nolan to give the movie a more "satisfying" conclusion. the ending is completely different. it's so stupid and out of place in the movie, it almost ruins it. almost.
I see people saying others don't get it (like, oh the masses) but this ending was re-written to appeal to the wider audience. something to blow their mind. it's just so stupid. There's nothing really sophisticated about Christopher Nolan, he's makes awesome movies, but he essentially reuses the same climax in all of his movies. it's kind of lazy really. like that's the only way he knows how to do that. It was cool in inception, and it was satisfying in TDKR, but now it's fricking old, and since the earth is not going to blow up in 5 minutes (more like 5 years) he has to inexplicably have the character start a major fire then go inside and look for "the answer". Every movie has some kind of scarcity of time with several events occurring simultaneously with quick editing. time for something new.
long story short: the 5th dimension bookshelf is so hackish.
still an awesome movie.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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Very few films are made as well or with as much care as Interstellar - Nolan, with his own material, is in the same league as Ford, Huston, Kramer, Kubrick, Lynch, Ridley Scott, the Coens, Eastwood - it is as visually stunning as any film since 2001 (to which it is a clear, overt homage).
sorry ace, Nolan isn't in that league at all, and TDK is one of my favorite movies. Seriously, I'm not kidding, he literally uses the same device for the climax of his movie over and over and over again. my original worry (as posted on here) is that his movies are brilliantly edited which covers for the fact that his movies skimp on the details (really nonsensical plot holes) which doesn't bother me at all in his other movies, except no editing can move people on from glaring stupidity in a science fiction movie. I love his movies, but you're geeking out on the sci fi (watching the movie was a great experience and one I want more of) instead of recognizing the bookshelf for the poor writing that it is
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:04 pm to DelU249
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I'm not kidding, he literally uses the same device for the climax of his movie over and over and over again.
Meh. While they have a similar vibe, Memento and Inception are completely different films, completely different mechanisms of story, completely different theories and climax models.
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TDK
I specifically excluded this, as I said "with his own material"
Joker: The Movie is the only one of those worth watching, IMHO.
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instead of recognizing the bookshelf for the poor writing that it is
It absolutely is not - it is a nexus around which much of the story revolves. I'm not ignoring some of the easy outs and compromises in the story, but the ambition and execution of it was so good, I can overlook minor trifles.
I mean, I rank Moon as a slightly better film, overall, and those are my 2 head and shoulders best science fiction films of the last 10, 15 years, easily.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:07 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I'm not talking about memento
Meh. While they have a similar vibe, Memento and Inception are completely different films, completely different mechanisms of story, completely different theories and climax models.
just watch the climax of these 3 movies in succession.
inception
tdkr
interstellar
I can't remember the deets abou the prestige, but the reveal at the end uses the same quick editing for a "mind blowing" conclusion
it's encroaching on hack territory that he does this. it's not a signature (like lens flares
) it's just reusing the same ending over and over again. No coincidence those are 3 of his biggest mainstream films either. bookshelf = hack
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:10 pm to DelU249
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sorry ace, Nolan isn't in that league at all, and TDK is one of my favorite movies. Seriously, I'm not kidding, he literally uses the same device for the climax of his movie over and over and over again.
First, Ace limited it to Nolan's own material, so TDK is out. Second, he does not use the same device for the climax of his movies. Memento, The Prestige, Inception and Interstellar are all very different movies, with very different climaxes. You can say that Nolan often attempts to integrate the audience by framing the story in a manner that it mirrors the subject of the story, sure, but this doesn't make his writing bad or his direction bad (or his brother's writing bad, for that matter).
But Interstellar had some bad points. Far more than any of Memento, The Prestige, or Inception, and it was still very good.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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TDK
quote:they're all good considering the super hero genre, but TDK breaks out of the genre and is a great film on its own
Joker: The Movie is the only one of those worth watching, IMHO.
it was just a perfect storm. the biggest ingredient is ledger's appearance and performance, but it's more than that
1. Nolan is an awesome director
2. the cast was excellent
3. Nolan edited this movie so well, it just pushes you to the next scene right before the point you'd go "hey, wait a minute" it's fast paced, its visually beautiful, the costume design, settings, blocking, lighting...it's a great movie
but yeah without ledger, I don't know if it's one of my favorites
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:14 pm to LoveThatMoney
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But Interstellar had some bad points.
Agreed. Honestly, it felt "smashed" into ~180 minutes - if he had gone for 2 installments, perhaps 110 and 100, he could have told more story and made fewer compromises. I'm thinking have the set up, build up and get all the way to waking up Matt Damon - have THAT scene be the final scene - his reaction, the crew's reaction and the whole, "Okay, what do we do now?" moment - then roll the credits.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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Very few films are made as well or with as much care as Interstellar
I disagree... Now I'm a big fan on Nolan's previous work aside from TDKR, but he took shortcuts, and needlessly changed the science for whatever reason in Interstellar.
Speaking of TDKR... that is just an awful movie with action scenes that look like something out of an 80's network tv show.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:15 pm to LoveThatMoney
TDK is a great movie,
and no he has the same formula for the climax in these 3 movies. they're identical as to how they're arranged
inception
interstellar
TDKR
interstellar is visually stunning, it's not great. It's not 2001 (an homage, yes) The characters aren't strong (they're not bland), there is some fricking laughable speech about love, and for all of the people lauding the scientific accuracy
someone tell the black astronaut why you can't come close to an event horizon let alone cross it.
it's an awesome movie, but it's not anything landmark. all of a sudden the guy is Aflred Hitchcock? please.
and no he has the same formula for the climax in these 3 movies. they're identical as to how they're arranged
inception
interstellar
TDKR
interstellar is visually stunning, it's not great. It's not 2001 (an homage, yes) The characters aren't strong (they're not bland), there is some fricking laughable speech about love, and for all of the people lauding the scientific accuracy
someone tell the black astronaut why you can't come close to an event horizon let alone cross it.
it's an awesome movie, but it's not anything landmark. all of a sudden the guy is Aflred Hitchcock? please.
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