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re: “If you don’t like the casting, don’t watch the show” – Cleopatra
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:24 pm to Thundercles
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:24 pm to Thundercles
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I think what I find so striking about the statement is that there was a time when Hollywood used their leading men and ladies to bring in the most eyeballs possible-- they would get their actors on press tours to make them beloved in the eyes of potential moviegoers. Even a controversial thing was handled delicately.
Eh.. this is Netflix.
I don't think they do many press tours for their releases. It's not the way their distribution works.
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And now, the attitude so often is "don't watch it, we don't fricking want you" and they wonder why their media is tanking.
That's entirely Netflix's business model. Something for everyone but not everything is for everyone.
Netflix is actually profitable as well.
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:38 pm to Corinthians420
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A petition has been widely circulating online, by two Egyptians; it criticizes Afrocentrism, calls for a cancellation of the documentary’s release, and to “save Egyptian history.”
“This is in no way against black people, and is simply a wake up call to preserve the history and the integrity of the Egyptians and the Greeks,” the petition stated.
*Fret not! Change dot org took the petition down.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:41 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
the fact they are calling this a historical documentary series is a joke. it is pure fantasy
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:51 pm to CAPEX
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That's entirely Netflix's business model. Something for everyone but not everything is for everyone. Netflix is actually profitable as well.
So some of their properties are a net loss and some are wildly profitable. And the wildly profitable ones offset the losses.
So wouldn’t they be even that much more profitable without at least some of the obvious loser properties?
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:21 pm to Jay Are
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No one knows, because no one knows where her mother and maternal grandmother are from. And where someone was from at that time did not equate to a specific racial identity.
She was Macedonian.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 10:56 pm to Thundercles
the simple fact that this is even a discussion shows how far we’re gone. the same week a 2600 year old egyptian queen has a dna test run, and it turns out that genetically she has more in common with a modern day Brit than a modern day Egyptian, much less a sub saharan african. Froman and the like can cling to “no accurate artistic depictions”, it doesn’t make them more noble. black people outnumber whites on the planet 2-1 minimum. they don’t need you to fight their battles for them. this just isn’t one of them. Cleopatra was about as black as Abraham. it’s a shame legitimate science will take a backseat to overt racial politics in the coming times.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 12:47 am to CAPEX
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I don't think they do many press tours for their releases. It's not the way their distribution works.
It's more about stars being ambassadors for their properties, not necessarily hitting a 90's style press tour. Nowadays contempt is almost baked in to some people.
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That's entirely Netflix's business model. Something for everyone but not everything is for everyone.
Netflix is actually profitable as well.
I'll give them this, in a time when all these upstart streaming companies and tech companies are slashing staff and losing billions, Netflix does have a firm grasp on their finances. So maybe they can afford to make a few passion projects if it broadens their audience-- they certainly have the cash to blow right now. I've done some dumb shite with a surplus of money that made no sense to outsiders but perfect sense to me.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:43 am to Thundercles
You elegantly weave your way through the criticisms in the media you give your character more likability on screen. But if the business model is you don’t really care if people watch then carry on, you’ve already been paid. I think Netflix should be eradicated due to clearly not acting in the best interest of shareholders because we all know all their trash virtue signaling shows aren’t making money
Posted on 4/18/23 at 4:40 am to CAPEX
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Netflix is actually profitable as well.
Then why are they adding a ad tier?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:21 am to Thundercles
quote:exactly, they’re playing retarded with their ACKTHUALLLLLY statements and whataboutisms.
Hollywood making weird decisions that make for unpopular movies/TV then attacking people who point out the idiocy of their decisions and calling people bigots for their very reasonable observations.
They’re the same fools that will bitch about cultural appropriation, yet Hollywood in their little bubble and their useful idiots label you a bigot if you point out the hypocrisy
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:26 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Elizabeth Banks slammed after claiming men are less likely to watch Charlie's Angels because males 'don't go see women do action movies'
This made me so mad at the time. Like, Atomic Blonde was recent when this movie came out. It’s fantastic. The original remakes with Barrymore/Diaz/Liu were massive hits. Racist/Sexist is the go to excuse for everything now.
To the OPs point, this isn’t artistic casting. This isn’t Mary Martin playing Peter Pan or casting a black man as Aaron Burr. This is a historical documentary about a real person that has documented lineage. It’s kind of insulting for the creators to assume “all people from Africa are black.”
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:02 am to Philzilla
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Then why are they adding a ad tier?
Because they want to be even more profitable?
No company has turned down extra profit.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:13 am to Havoc
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So wouldn’t they be even that much more profitable without at least some of the obvious loser properties?
If you went by this metric, some of the greatest TV shows ever made would never have been made.
There would no wacky shows about 2 people getting into a road rage incident or political dramas like House of Cards.
On the face of it, they didn't look like winners and looked like obvious losses.
Yet they were wildly successful.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:20 am to Jay Are
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No one knows, because no one knows where her mother and maternal grandmother are from.
The Ptolemaic Dynasty despised Egyptians in general and would not associate with them. This is largely why Cleopatra was so popular, she was the first Ptolemy to learn Egyptian. Her mom was her dad's half sister, and quite Greek
ETA: Also, many historians believe that Egyptians themselves weren't black. Largely due to the depiction of Egyptians in ancient artwork rarely ever showing a figure with a dark completion. The overarching belief if that Egypt was invaded by people of Mesopotamia early in Egypt's history, then dominated the land for most of it's history. Which would make a lot of sense in my view, even modern Egyptians kind of look Iranian
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:01 am to BugAC
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I mean, he is part white anwyays.
Obama is closer to being white than Cleopatra was to being black.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:44 am to SCLSUMuddogs
All that being said, race wasn't really a thing at the time of the Egyptians. The concept of race didn't show up in human literature until the 17th century.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:53 am to Epaminondas
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Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek like the other members of the Ptolemaic dynasty (not Egyptian). She may have also been of partial Persian ancestry.
So, yeah it's quite a stretch for her to be played by a black person.
Exactly. They were inbred and would not have mixed with local Egyptians (who were not black). Completely historically verified not black. Cultural appropriation of Macedonians. Terrible.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:55 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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All that being said, race wasn't really a thing at the time of the Egyptians. The concept of race didn't show up in human literature until the 17th century.
Such an odd statement.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:09 am to Mo Jeaux
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All that being said, race wasn't really a thing at the time of the Egyptians. The concept of race didn't show up in human literature until the 17th century.quote:
Such an odd statement.
They didn't see color back then. They enslaved people based on their shoe size.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 10:33 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Which would make a lot of sense in my view, even modern Egyptians kind of look Iranian
There was the Arab, Seljuk and Ottoman Islamic expansion periods that all contributed to the current racial composition.
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Also, many historians believe that Egyptians themselves weren't black. Largely due to the depiction of Egyptians in ancient artwork rarely ever showing a figure with a dark completion. The overarching belief if that Egypt was invaded by people of Mesopotamia early in Egypt's history, then dominated the land for most of it's history.
Well, the Kush were Nubians and they would almost certainly be considered black by today's standards. The North of Egypt were highly likely a relatively standard Mediterranean mix - Phonecian, Greek, Assyrian, perhaps with a little more color from the Southern Egypt/modern Sudan region.
And back to the original point, Cleopatra was the result of (largely Greek) inbreeding.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 10:34 am
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