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I rewatched American Sniper for the first time since 2014; it isn't as good as I remember
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:12 am
Maybe its all the stuff that has been said about him since his death that kind of leaves a not so great taste in your mouth.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:16 am to GetCocky11
I mean the dude claimed he was sniping people from the top of the superdome.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:19 am to GetCocky11
It’s a flawed movie, not the least of which, it’s a thematic ripoff of The Hurt Locker*, that has an initial popcorn flick enjoyment that doesn’t hold up on repeat viewings.
*Note, I understand it’s based on a real-life person, but movies themselves are not real-life. And Eastwood was being very derivative in his direction and thematic choices for the movie.
*Note, I understand it’s based on a real-life person, but movies themselves are not real-life. And Eastwood was being very derivative in his direction and thematic choices for the movie.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:20 am to GetCocky11
I actually watched it again last night after the new Hard Knocks on HBO max. Entertaining enough but probably very overly dramatic like every war movie is.
What was said about him, not familiar?
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Maybe its all the stuff that has been said about him since his death that kind of leaves a not so great taste in your mouth.
What was said about him, not familiar?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:23 am to GetCocky11
Doll baby is still a ridiculous choice after all these years.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:24 am to UndercoverBryologist
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It’s a flawed movie, not the least of which
I think the mistake I made is rewatching this right after completing a rewatch of Generation Kill, which is probably the best thing made about the Iraq War
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:30 am to Displaced
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Doll baby is still a ridiculous choice after all these years
“One-take Clint.” His primary goal since turning 75 has been wrapping the day’s shooting before lunch time. Don’t need a crying and fussy baby ruining your schedule.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:36 am to jpainter6174
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What was said about him, not familiar?
From Wikipedia:
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Apart from the story of his attack on Jesse Ventura, Kyle stated his involvement in a number of incidents, which were unverifiable, and some commentary has called into question, saying that they were unlikely.[47]
Kyle stated that during Hurricane Katrina, after hearing about the civilian strife in the area, he and another man drove to New Orleans to stop "looters." With sniper rifles, they allegedly travelled to New Orleans and then positioned themselves at a vantage point on top of the city's Mercedes-Benz Superdome. There Kyle claimed they started shooting a number of armed residents or looters, whom they identified as making trouble.
Some reports stated that Kyle shot 30 with the other sniper, and others saying he shot 30 by himself. This was never verified, and there was no evidence of dozens of people being slain by a sniper or gunman, with commentary noting that it would be unlikely that 30 people would have been murdered without anyone noticing it or reporting it to the media or the police. Kyle's story had been reported in a number of publications, including the New Yorker, with Kyle relating the story to other military personnel.[48][49][50]
Kyle also related a story of how he was robbed at a gas station in January 2009, southwest of Dallas. During the robbery, Kyle told the two men he would return to his car, to give them his keys. He picked up a gun and shot both robbers dead. However, there is no evidence the incident occurred. There were never any police reports or mention of the incident, and police contacted by journalists were completely unaware of the incident. The incident did not appear in the media, and a journalist visited all the service stations that could match the description, and none of them were aware of it happening. The medical examiners office had no records of anyone being killed in the area at the time.[49] Kyle claimed there was security footage, and that when police officers approached him about the killings, he redirected them to the government, and so Kyle was never charged.[51]
Kyle's claim on his awards has also been disputed, with Kyle claiming he was awarded certain medals, but his official records indicate that these were not actually awarded to him.[52][47][53]
Kyle has also claimed a higher number of sniper kills in his service than the Navy has officially attributed to him. While Kyle claims to have killed roughly 320 enemies as part of his service in Iraq, the Navy says he killed 160. The Navy's numbers would be of "confirmed kills" which are only the kills that are able to be confirmed on the battlefield. Kyle stated that the Navy's numbers varied from time to time.[54][50]
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:40 am to Displaced
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Doll baby is still a ridiculous choice after all these years.
It's shocking how Clint just started cutting corners later in life and everything was one-take and move on. That's why studios loved him, he made movies on the cheap.
American Sniper was half the budget of Flags of our Fathers.
The production value and quality of his movies just got worse as he got older.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
He embellished his 'accomplishments' which is actually a big joke among the Navy when it comes to SEALS who are looking for glory & not 'silent professionals'.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:46 am to GetCocky11
I remember seeing it in the theater & having a basic knowledge of his story.
I think most didn’t know or realize how the movie and his real story ended.
Pretty damn powerful .
I think most didn’t know or realize how the movie and his real story ended.
Pretty damn powerful .
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:49 am to gameovergt
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He embellished his 'accomplishments'
I dunno. There’s “embellishments” that you tell your friends to boast about nothing in particular.
Then there’s outright lies about sniping dozens of people from the top of the Superdome that you publicize in major media.
Kyle seemed to be crossing the line from “I caught the biggest fish,” to either delusional or some sort of personality disorder.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:51 am to UndercoverBryologist
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One-take Clint.” His primary goal since turning 75 has been wrapping the day’s shooting before lunch time. Don’t need a crying and fussy baby ruining your schedule.
As it goes, the first baby got sick and the second one didn’t show, so Clint said f it and went with the doll.
Still a bad choice.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:52 am to gameovergt
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embellished
No he straight up lied about that. There's absolutely no way someone could be dropping bodies from the superdome without a single case being brought out this information verified. It's sad because his real life stuff was already impressive, he didn't need to lie.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:04 pm to Oates Mustache
He wanted to sell books. The scruf face story was also a lie but the 'body caught flack for his lawsuit.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:13 pm to gameovergt
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He wanted to sell books. The scruf face story was also a lie but the 'body caught flack for his lawsuit.
Yeah, I forgot to elaborate on the Jesse Ventura lawsuit. There was something going on with Kyle’s mental health that we may never really understand.
Edit: Maybe a dose of hero worship and fame coming from the book publication didn’t do him a lot of good in the ego department.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:18 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Who knows? Ive recently been diagnosed with ptsd from my experiences in Iraq & Afghanistan & I was comm support staff for alot of these task forces. I can only imagine the horror of others. Reality/the imagined gets blurry. Movie is solid. You've gotta take all of em with a grain of salt. Real military life is 99% mundane.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:56 pm to GetCocky11
I disagree- the movie to me holds up well. I cry every time I watch it and turn it off before the end.
The story and the biggest part of the film is based on his time while he was serving and all of that is backed up by official records.
What happened to this man and his actions after he returned from his FOURTH tour are separate from the film. This man suffered greatly from his time at war and from what he did as a sniper. His lies/stories/falsehoods whatever do not take away from what this man did while in service to his country.
I can't imagine anyone staying sane after what he did. I for one will not speak ill of someone who for the most part gave everything he had in service to his country. He put his service before his wife, his children, his life.
Did he lose his mind once he came back? Probably. Did he suffer from every known ailment someone who returns from war can suffer from? Probably.
150 confirmed kills is his legacy. And all of the lives he protected in uniform in Iraq is also his legacy.
Not one person alive can say they did more for their country than this man. He gave all he had and then some.
He will always be a hero in my eyes. I will always be thankful he wore the uniform of the United States of America.
The story and the biggest part of the film is based on his time while he was serving and all of that is backed up by official records.
What happened to this man and his actions after he returned from his FOURTH tour are separate from the film. This man suffered greatly from his time at war and from what he did as a sniper. His lies/stories/falsehoods whatever do not take away from what this man did while in service to his country.
I can't imagine anyone staying sane after what he did. I for one will not speak ill of someone who for the most part gave everything he had in service to his country. He put his service before his wife, his children, his life.
Did he lose his mind once he came back? Probably. Did he suffer from every known ailment someone who returns from war can suffer from? Probably.
150 confirmed kills is his legacy. And all of the lives he protected in uniform in Iraq is also his legacy.
Not one person alive can say they did more for their country than this man. He gave all he had and then some.
He will always be a hero in my eyes. I will always be thankful he wore the uniform of the United States of America.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:17 pm to GetCocky11
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Generation Kill, which is probably the best thing made about the Iraq War
I'll have to check this out
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:16 pm to GetCocky11
A buddy from my platoon when I was Iraq had a couple scenes in that movie. He was the one legged vet that Bradley Cooper talked to in the VA hospital and then went to the range with him later and had the line “Who’s the legend now?” when he hit the target. He also ended up with a small role as Lady Gaga’s restaurant manager in A Star is Born.
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