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GOT rewatch
Posted on 7/31/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 7/31/19 at 10:49 pm
shite man, seasons 1-4 were so good. Cinematic perfection.
What a shame.
What a shame.
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 10:57 pm to Retrograde
Such a shame it face-planted at the end like that
Posted on 7/31/19 at 11:06 pm to Retrograde
Season 8 isn't so bad; just stop at Ep 4, after they defeat the Night King.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 11:26 pm to Scoob
quote:Im pretty sure most people’s gripe has to do with the episode you are talking about .
Season 8 isn't so bad; just stop at Ep 4, after they defeat the Night King.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 11:35 pm to Ryan3232
The last season sucked so hard I can't even get myself to watch the earlier great seasons knowing how badly the story was ruined.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 11:57 pm to Ryan3232
quote:I don't think so...quote:
Season 8 isn't so bad; just stop at Ep 4, after they defeat the Night King.
Im pretty sure most people’s gripe has to do with the episode you are talking about .
I mean, we all wanted Jon to be the one to kill the Night King, and we wanted the Three Eyed Raven to do something impressive. And maybe he's the 2nd choice to kill the Night King.
But these were surprises in a story that still somewhat made sense, leading back to the show's first episode. And for a couple episodes, we had the vast majority of the show's characters bought into Jon's message- that petty human politics are irrelevant, that the true battle is one of existence against the death from beyond the Wall. Hell, we had the Lannister boys there, even.
If you speak of poor battle plans, well- I guess Jon and the guys haven't played Rome Total War, or other strategy games. That's nothing new for the show. Bad lighting... meh. I saw it fine. Wasn't any worse than The Two Towers.
Arya doing the deed... meh again. A Girl has proven resourceful at killing. She didn't direct the campaign, she made a late run at him individually, and succeeded.
That episode is flawed, but it does fit within the framework to a large extent; and it gives you a point of closure to leave the show on.
Everything afterwards, not so much.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:58 am to Scoob
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I don't think so...
Then you’re out of touch. The whole season was trash, especially that episode and everything to follow
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:21 am to 13SaintTiger
quote:You're missing my point.
Then you’re out of touch. The whole season was trash, especially that episode and everything to follow
If you watched Game of Thrones, then you're invested. You need some sort of closure, Winter has come.
Ep 4 of Season 8 is the best point to stop. It finishes the war in the North against the White Walkers, with Jon successfully forging an alliance of many unlikely participants on the side of Life. We get Dany's Essos army alongside the North, the Vale, the Wildlings (and the Night's Watch), and even add in Jaime.
Theon's tale ends, as does Jorah's, and Melisandre's. If you want, you can say it gives Arya a purpose other than vengeance.
It's not the storyline we imagined or wanted, but it wasn't god-awful... and everything that follows is.
If not there, where do you suggest to stop? The actual end is a complete mess. Do you quit with season 7, or season 6, 5 etc, and get zero resolution?
Ok, to clarify- I'm remembering ep 4 as the battle of Winterfell itself. That's what I mean. If by chance ep 4 is the episode that follows, then no, don't watch that.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:24 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:43 am to Scoob
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we wanted the Three Eyed Raven to do something impressive
Which he doesn't, like at all. All of that storyline pretty much for nothing, just like the Night King's. Thanks, D&D.
I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to rewatch. Maybe a few years down the road and I'll just stop after season 6.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 4:37 am to Scoob
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You're missing my point.
There isn’t a point to miss. You said you didn’t think most people didn’t like the battle of winterfell, when in fact the reviews say they didn’t. That battle was trash, the tactics, the directing, the individual fights, the ending, it all sucked
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:11 am to 13SaintTiger
Most viewers are knowledgeable tacticians?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:34 am to Retrograde
quote:Season 8 made me not want to rewatch this show. I wanted to buy the box set but what's the point anymore.
GOT rewatch
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:01 am to Retrograde
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GOT rewatch
Why would anyone put in 70+ hours of work knowing there’s no payoff? Only a person who doesn’t value their time would do this.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:14 am to Pectus
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Most viewers are knowledgeable tacticians?
It doesn’t take a knowledgeable tactician to know that throwing your Calvary at the enemy first, in the middle of the dark, against an unknown enemy, and when you have air superiority is dumb.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:23 am to 13SaintTiger
Honestly I liked S7 a lot and even the first two episodes of this season.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:54 am to dallastiger55
Night King ending was worse than Dani going mad. Night King defeat in a battle that only last a few hours after being warned about how bad winter will be and preparing food and such was lame as shite. The Arya moon jump was garbage. The whole thing just seemed like a stepping stone for the shitty ending that was to follow. Season 8 was garbage.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 7:55 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 8:10 am to PeteRose
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Why would anyone put in 70+ hours of work knowing there’s no payoff? Only a person who doesn’t value their time would do this.
Hell, I'm putting in about 200+ hours by doing a reread (re-listen actually) of the books knowing that there will likely never be a payoff at the end
speaking of which, I just finished the chapter in ASOS where Jon was meeting with Mance and Stannis barged up in there with his men. The show did a really good job when they simply stuck to the source material.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:34 am to PeteRose
quote:That's the issue. The earlier seasons are fantastic, but there's stuff moving in the background that need to be resolved.
Why would anyone put in 70+ hours of work knowing there’s no payoff?
There are 2 types of stories; those that are ongoing, and those with a required conclusion of some sort. Your generic Batman or Spiderman tale, Star Trek, etc, that's ongoing, you have continuous drama and you can just come and go into it.
The political side of GoT is this; we've learned there were intrigues and rivalries before Robert's Rebellion, before the Targareans took over, etc. The Lannister-Stark strife will reoccur in the future between other dominant families.
Other stories need a conclusion; the Night King is bringing about the end of the world. They're not just wandering around in the shadows beyond the Wall, they're actively moving on it, and have wiped out mankind beyond the Wall at this point. You CAN'T just skip out on Jon's tale, and pick up later, with Sam's adult son, and pretend everything would be similar. Like it or not, this is the part that requires a payoff.
Now, you can dislike the payoff, and say it shouldn't have gone down that way. But something needs to go down. It's like Star Wars Ep 4 (original Star Wars), you can't have Han leave the rebel base, and just pretend the Empire doesn't blow it up with the Death Star, and that things are all the same 20 years later... not with this.
Or, Lord of the Rings. Merry and Pippin can't just go back to the Shire before the battle at Minas Tirith, and go back to their normal lives after their adventures in Moria, and pretend it's all going to be the same. Sauron is coming.
You NEED the finish at Winterfell.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:10 pm to Retrograde
There is absolutely no doubt the show changes in season 5 when they ran out of source material. it almost became a different show, but still very enjoyable.
I don't care what anyone says about season 8. It definitely should have been longer. That fixes maybe 70% of all the issues?
With that said, "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" was top notch. Even though it loses its luster after the battle of winterfell episode.
I don't care what anyone says about season 8. It definitely should have been longer. That fixes maybe 70% of all the issues?
With that said, "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" was top notch. Even though it loses its luster after the battle of winterfell episode.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:12 pm to PeteRose
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Why would anyone put in 70+ hours of work knowing there’s no payoff? Only a person who doesn’t value their time would do this
Not defending season 8 here but the payoff was that the Starks go from the bottom where they fall in the first book, or season 1 to the top
The problem is no one gives a shite about Bran. There wasn't enough weight on Jon's choice to be a Stark over a Targryan.
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