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500 Days of Summer: Expectations vs. Reality
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:29 pm to The Egg
Really enjoyed that movie, but yeah that scene was brutal.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:14 pm to The Egg
frick Summer, I rather Autumn.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:16 pm to The Egg
I blame that movie for starting my fascination with romance/coming of age films. As much as I love the movie, I really hate the ending scene with Autumn. I know the film has several cheesy scenes, but ending the film on that note really diminished the tone it had going. A more powerful ending might have been the park bench scene.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:21 pm to The Egg
One of the most brutal...and true scenes of all time.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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One of the most brutal...and true scenes of all time.
Yep. It’s vicious.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:39 pm to Ssubba
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As much as I love the movie, I really hate the ending scene with Autumn.
A friend of mine has suggested that he imagined that interaction with "Autumn". Like, it was just TOO perfect.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:11 am to Fun Bunch
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One of the most brutal...and true scenes of all time.
It's true, so not brutal.
Brutal is when something turns out the opposite which you don't remotely expect because all evidence the otherwise.
This was not contrary evidence based on what we know of the story, women and reality.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 12:13 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:40 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's true, so not brutal.
You do know that something can be true and brutal at the same time, right? shite, when in your real life is something you perceive to be brutal not true? How often do you hear about false brutality? Read a dictionary sometime.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:47 am to OMLandshark
Brutal is the unexpected.
No guy in his position would expect his expectations from Summer in that situation...after the story we've been told.
That's why it's not brutal. It's not out of nowhere or cruel...it was on the story arc.
Context matters when it comes to brutal not just gutteral protagonistic wishing.
No guy in his position would expect his expectations from Summer in that situation...after the story we've been told.
That's why it's not brutal. It's not out of nowhere or cruel...it was on the story arc.
Context matters when it comes to brutal not just gutteral protagonistic wishing.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 12:48 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:49 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Wtf are you even talking about. It's a gut wrenching scene.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:49 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Brutal is the unexpected.
Seriously, here are the definitions of brutal:
a) savagely violent.
b) punishingly hard or uncomfortable.
c) direct and lacking any attempt to disguise unpleasantness.
So yeah, it meets definition B if not C. Unexpected has nothing to do with brutality. Would you not describe the Holocaust as brutal? If you were with the Allies, all you had to do was read Mein Kampf to know what Hitler was doing to the Jews during the war. Auschwitz wasn’t exactly unexpected but the worst fears of Hitler’s promises come true. Unexpectedness has nothing to do with brutality. As I said, read a dictionary sometime.
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No guy in his position would expect his expectations from Summer in that situation...after the story we've been told.
That's why it's not brutal. It's not out of nowhere or cruel...it was on the story arc.
Context matters when it comes to brutal not just gutteral protagonistic wishing.
Really? You’ve never been in contact with an ex somewhat flirting with you, want to hang out, and then expect some sort of hookup or reconciliation? Are you like 17? Do have a penis? This is something most guys go through.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:00 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:59 am to OMLandshark
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Brutal is the unexpected.
...because this wasn't unexpected.
The fact that his delusions don't become a reality doesn't make it brutal...it makes it reality.
If they were married and he showed up and Summer said I'm moving to Jamaica with your best friend who writes Get Well cards...that would be different.
But he had no realistic expectation of reality in getting back with Summer beyond delusion.
So it was not unexpected.
What was expected was the status quo between them notwhistandings his fantasies which were at the ropes end.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:02 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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because this wasn't unexpected.
I pressed enter too early. fricking read sometime. You never find a definition of brutal that has unexpectedness be a part of it. Seriously, you’re captured by WWII Japanese and have known of their reputation for decades... but hey what they do to you isn’t brutal because you’re expecting them to chop you up slowly. Not brutal at all while you’re bleeding out for days because you knew this was going to happen. You’re an idiot.
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What was expected was the status quo between them notwhistandings his fantasies which were at the ropes end.
Umm, no you don’t invite your ex to a party when you’ve been recently engaged. You want the unexpected, that is it. I’d be shocked if an ex did that to me and it would take me a while to get over it.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:11 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:11 am to OMLandshark
That's not a really good analogy.
It's brutal for him because he's delusional.
That's the entire gist of most of the movie.
There's a thing in film called expection vs. reality...
And just because expectation doesn't match reality doesn't make it gut-wrenching for a viewer because the viewer is SMART ENOUGH to know the protagonist is off his rocker obsessed and has no chance in getting back with Summer. The fact the protagonist is delusional doesn't make it brutal like real brutal scenes in film that dont bend fantasy and real life love and loss.
And nice retort. Name calling, last refuge of a scoundrel. JC, you can't have a debate on here without people flipping out. And my point is solid. In life, and film history.
You might as well say, Norman Bates sitting in that jail cell was a brutal scene for his pysche because Mommy wasn't there and he wanted her.
I don't care how much he wanted Summer...that story arc of the film doesn't make it brutal because we already know he has no chance.
It's brutal for him because he's delusional.
That's the entire gist of most of the movie.
There's a thing in film called expection vs. reality...
And just because expectation doesn't match reality doesn't make it gut-wrenching for a viewer because the viewer is SMART ENOUGH to know the protagonist is off his rocker obsessed and has no chance in getting back with Summer. The fact the protagonist is delusional doesn't make it brutal like real brutal scenes in film that dont bend fantasy and real life love and loss.
And nice retort. Name calling, last refuge of a scoundrel. JC, you can't have a debate on here without people flipping out. And my point is solid. In life, and film history.
You might as well say, Norman Bates sitting in that jail cell was a brutal scene for his pysche because Mommy wasn't there and he wanted her.
I don't care how much he wanted Summer...that story arc of the film doesn't make it brutal because we already know he has no chance.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:13 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:18 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I’m not going to read through your stupid post, because actually the movie meets your definition of brutality. She invites him to a party where it’s revealed she’s been engaged. That’s unexpected. Like seriously, would you invite your ex who you know loves you to a party all to reveal you’re taken for good? That is startlingly unexpected. That is brutal and terrible to your ex to do that to them. That will cause 6 month downward spiral if you play with them that way and you’re fricking engaged, which the movie follows up on.
Rewatch the movie.
So you think it’s socially acceptable to personally invite your ex that you broke up with and you know is still emotionally engaged with you to a party where you’re revealing you’re engaged? If any of my friends did that to a girl he had been dating, I’d slap the frick out of him for being a total dick.
Since you obviously haven’t seen or remember this movie (or possibly insane) here’s the clip the rest of us are talking about: LINK
But yeah he was totally delusional and totally asking for an engagement reveal, right? Maybe Summer was a total bitch that led him on.
Rewatch the movie.
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It's brutal for him because he's delusional.
So you think it’s socially acceptable to personally invite your ex that you broke up with and you know is still emotionally engaged with you to a party where you’re revealing you’re engaged? If any of my friends did that to a girl he had been dating, I’d slap the frick out of him for being a total dick.
Since you obviously haven’t seen or remember this movie (or possibly insane) here’s the clip the rest of us are talking about: LINK
But yeah he was totally delusional and totally asking for an engagement reveal, right? Maybe Summer was a total bitch that led him on.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:33 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:43 am to The Egg
Are we talking be about the characters gut wrenching or the viewers because those are two different things and I don't know how as a viewer if you followed the movie you would find that gut wrenching considering it was expected and obvious.
I thought this thread was about gut wrenching from the perspective of the 3rd party viewer not from the perspective of some made up delusional character.
I thought this thread was about gut wrenching from the perspective of the 3rd party viewer not from the perspective of some made up delusional character.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:44 am
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:44 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Wow downvote in 2 seconds
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:49 am to OMLandshark
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So you think it’s socially acceptable to personally invite your ex that you broke up with and you know is still emotionally engaged with you to a party where you’re revealing you’re engaged? If any of my friends did that to a girl he had been dating, I’d slap the frick out of him for being a total dick.
Yeah she's a girl dude.
Grow up, that's what they do. They break up and want to be friends. It happens all the time.
The fact that he's in so much anguish over common break up and let's just be friends is fake... otherwise no guy would ever move on and get married.
And in the end he stops crying in his beer grows a pair and moves on to Autumn.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:50 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
She invited her ex that she broke up with on pretty civil terms, breaking his heart, all to reveal she was engaged. I would do this to my friend who would do the same thing:
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