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WTF was Lebron doing?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:13 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:13 am
So I just got home, finally got to see highlights of the game on ESPN. Lebron James was literally just standing around on some plays not doing shite. And it looks like it went that way for most, if not all, of the game.
I mean there was one point where Lebron was shown at almost half court, and then the camera goes to where you can see the entire 3 point line and the basket, and you see 4 Cavaliers scrapping around and Lebron doesn't even enter the screen.
I mean there was one point where Lebron was shown at almost half court, and then the camera goes to where you can see the entire 3 point line and the basket, and you see 4 Cavaliers scrapping around and Lebron doesn't even enter the screen.
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Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:18 am to DrSteveBrule
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mean there was one point where Lebron was shown at almost half court, and then the camera goes to where you can see the entire 3 point line and the basket, and you see 4 Cavaliers scrapping around and Lebron doesn't even enter the screen
In a halfcourt set? I watched the game and certainly did not see that. That's quite the exaggeration, lol.
He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The Celtics played incredible team defense and the second Lebron took one step towards the hole, they had 2 or 3 guys coming towards him.
If he drives and forces shots and shoots 10-32,e veryone blames him for shooting too much.
If he facilitates and passes and his teammates can't buy a bucket(like they usually do in the playoffs), he's a bum cause he didn't try.
Otherwise, he was still terrible, but he can't win either way. No matter how good he plays, somebody, anybody has to step up on his team to beat a team like the Celtics.
So far, no one has remotely done so.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:22 am to shel311
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In a halfcourt set?
Yeah, but again, I only saw highlights, and there was 2 or 3 plays they showed where Lebron was literally just standing around doing nothing.
And then they show shots of Lebron looking absolutely exhausted, I didn't understand it.
I mean you see MULTIPLE people stepping up for the Suns, the Lakers, the Magic, and in the first round you saw it from the Jazz and the Spurs. You just don't see that from the Cavaliers. It's all about Lebron James. The team goes the way of Lebron, and sometimes it doesn't even go the way of Lebron when he plays an incredible game and his teammates are a bunch of deadbeats.
I mean to me, in the highlights, I saw a Lebron James that has NO faith in his teammates...
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 1:24 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:25 am to DrSteveBrule
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WTF was Lebron doing?
he took the ole' dive
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:27 am to DrSteveBrule
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and there was 2 or 3 plays they showed where Lebron was literally just standing around doing nothing.
Well, lots of sets don't call for him to do anything. Like when they know they're gonna post Shaq, it's a designed play, there isn't much you do other than get out of his way, lol.
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And then they show shots of Lebron looking absolutely exhausted, I didn't understand it
That he did, and that was also confusing. He looked absolutely gassed and he definitely at least seemed to not exert as much energy as he has in the last couple of games.
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I mean you see MULTIPLE people stepping up for the Suns, the Lakers, the Magic, and in the first round you saw it from the Jazz and the Spurs. You just don't see that from the Cavaliers. It's all about Lebron James. The team goes the way of Lebron, and sometimes it doesn't even go the way of Lebron when he plays an incredible game and his teammates are a bunch of deadbeats
This is truth. If they lose this series, I have very little doubt that he's leaving Cleveland as a result.
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I mean to me, in the highlights, I saw a Lebron James that has NO faith in his teammates...
Yea, and this is compounded by Boston's D they played tonight. You could tell in games 4 and 5 they really made even more of an effort to not let James get a strong drive to the rack and were content with Parker and the fellas shooting wide open jumpers, and they missed most of em.
And when Mo Williams is your 2nd best player, I'd have no faith in my teammates also, LOL.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:39 am to shel311
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And when Mo Williams is your 2nd best player, I'd have no faith in my teammates also, LOL.
Yeah, I mean we're talking about Delonte West, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, an old Shaq. I'm not a Lebron James apologist by any means, I enjoy watching him play but that doesn't make me a "fan" of whatever team he is on, but I can't blame him if he leaves.
He's been in Cleveland for several years, and this is the best team they can build around him? With Mike Brown as the head coach?
I mean look at the past list of NBA champions, take the sample from 1990-present. The worst "team" on there, and this was referenced on this board earlier, is probably the Heat... but even they had D-Wade and a still pretty good Shaq. This Cavalier roster is just NOT an NBA champion caliber roster when stacked up against the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 1:46 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:42 am to DrSteveBrule
And I didn't make this point clear at all, but I just want to emphasize that I think Mike Brown is the main problem with this team. If you want to win a championship get a serious fricking coach.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 1:52 am to DrSteveBrule
Lebron is a great player..will go down as an all time great...but 2 years in a row his team was good enough to finish with over all best record...so cant really make it out to be like they are so bad they cant win
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:07 am to fightingtiger2335
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so cant really make it out to be like they are so bad they cant win
They are bad enough apparently.
Just watch, you're telling me this Boston team the past 10 games is remotely the same as the regular season? Of course not.
Take Rondo and lebron off, is Cleveland remotely as good as Boston?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:09 am to fightingtiger2335
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Lebron is a great player..will go down as an all time great...but 2 years in a row his team was good enough to finish with over all best record...so cant really make it out to be like they are so bad they cant win
They're not "so bad they can't win". I don't think anyone is saying that. But, I think people get so enamored by how well the Cavaliers do in the regular season that they think they are amazing, but when it comes to a long grind out series like this in the playoffs, against a team like the celtics, a team with veteran players that probably couldn't give a frick about the regular season and live for the playoffs, his team gets exposed as just not being very good.
Look at the teams Cleveland has beaten in the playoffs since 2007 (the year they went to the finals)
2007
#7 Washington
#6 New Jersey
#1 Pistons
Lost to Spurs in Finals
2008
#5 Washington
Lost to Celtics in 2nd Round
2009
#8 Detroit
#4 Atlanta
Lost to Orlando in Conference Finals
What is the most impressive series win on that list. Probably #1 detroit in 2007... the east was HORRIBLE that year.
This team is just not build to succeed in this situation. It's foolish to compare the regular season with the playoffs. The Spurs proved this for years. They came alive in the playoffs, much like the Celtics are doing now. It's what those veteran teams do. Do you really think the veteran players really care THAT much about an 82 game season? No, they bide their time, and they do enough to get in the playoffs, and get ready to tear it up in the postseason and the Cavs can't handle it.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 2:12 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:12 am to DrSteveBrule
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against a team like the celtics, a team with veteran players that probably couldn't give a frick about the regular season and live for the playoffs
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It's foolish to compare the regular season with the playoffs. The Spurs proved this for years. They came alive in the playoffs, much like the Celtics are doing now. It's what those veteran teams do. Do you really think the veteran players really care THAT much about an 82 game season? No, they bide their time and get ready to tear it up in the postseason and the Cavs can't handle it
I think you're inside my head, stealing my thoughts, LOL.
No offense to anyone, but people who just throw out the best regular season record thing without realizing playoff basketball is completely different, I just wonder if they don't follow the NBA that closely.
Becuase what you said is dead on. I don't care what the regular season shows, the playoffs are a different reason.
Think about it, if Cleveland had the best record in the NBA last year, and Lebron goes for 40/8/8 against Orlando, they why'd they lose in 6 games?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:13 am to DrSteveBrule
Who were the super Veteran players for Orlando then?
I know you can't just take regular season and it be fact...but it does mean a little when you do it twice in a row.
Dont make excuses for him. I'm by no means a hater, but somewhere deep down I believe the elbow was a crutch that he is using just in case this team doesn't come through, he has an excuse.
I know you can't just take regular season and it be fact...but it does mean a little when you do it twice in a row.
Dont make excuses for him. I'm by no means a hater, but somewhere deep down I believe the elbow was a crutch that he is using just in case this team doesn't come through, he has an excuse.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:14 am to shel311
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Think about it, if Cleveland had the best record in the NBA last year, and Lebron goes for 40/8/8 against Orlando, they why'd they lose in 6 games?
Dirk normally has pretty good playoffs and he catches the flack for Dallas losses...part of being best player on the team.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:16 am to fightingtiger2335
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I'm by no means a hater, but somewhere deep down I believe the elbow was a crutch that he is using just in case this team doesn't come through, he has an excuse
Then why in the past 2 games, he's made ZERO mention or never even grabbed his elbow at all since he had those 3 days off?
If true, wouldn't he be acting hurt tonight?
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Who were the super Veteran players for Orlando then?
Did you watch that series? 40/8/8. What more do you want him to do?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:16 am to shel311
His team isn't that bad. You can't blame the team for not showing up in the postseason when LeBron hasn't shown up in the last two games. They go as he goes. They are a great team defensively. They have decent depth at center, a lot of 3pt shooters, an all-star level 2nd option in Jamison, some athletic slashers/rebounders, and a couple of hustle/scrappy players. They have a solid team when he's playing hard. If they didn't, they wouldn't have finished with the best record for TWO straight years. LeBron deserves the majority of the blame if they lose this series. He's truly showed up and played aggressive basketball in two games (1 and 3) both of which the Cavs won. His play in the three losses has been lethargic to say the least.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:17 am to fightingtiger2335
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catches the flack for Dallas losses...part of being best player on the team
Sure, by the media.
But I do my very best to not let the media sway my thoughts since they're wrong most of the time.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:19 am to AlexLSU
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His team isn't that bad
Take Bron and Rondo off of each team, and the Celtics are probably a double digit favorite on a neutral court, or near that.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:20 am to fightingtiger2335
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Who were the super Veteran players for Orlando then?
It's not a requirement to have veteran players, that was just an example. Right now you're talking about the Orlando Magic who are an actual GOOD team. It's not even a comparison between the Cavs and the Magic. Overall talent, coaching, will to succeed, the Magic have them beat on all fronts. The Cavaliers are in essence, a single player, and that player has to play well for them to even have a chance at success. The Cavaliers win when there is no pressure and nothing on the line.
Add Jamison to my list from earlier. Another example of a once above average player in the league that is expiring. This is what the Cavaliers have to offer outside of Lebron James.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 2:23 am
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:22 am to shel311
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Then why in the past 2 games, he's made ZERO mention or never even grabbed his elbow at all since he had those 3 days off?
he hasn't..but it's still out there..the announcers/commentators/fans will still use it..you don't have to milk it all the time for it to be in peoples minds. and thats all he was doing imho.but I couldbe wrong....just a theory...and anyone can make one up
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Did you watch that series? 40/8/8. What more do you want him to do?
I never once blamed Lebron. I was mentioning in that series it wasn't like the Orlando roster was head and shoulders above Cleveland. Sometimes monster stats can actually hurt the team..I know..weird concept..but someone like Nash..seems everytime he goes over 30 it's 50/50 if the suns win...andhe might have 10 assist on top of it as well.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 2:22 am to shel311
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Think about it, if Cleveland had the best record in the NBA last year, and Lebron goes for 40/8/8 against Orlando, they why'd they lose in 6 games?
That's because Orlando was the better team. Boston is not better than Cleveland this year. NONE OF YOU thought that Boston was better than Cleveland until this series started. The Cavs struggled early in the season, and Boston beat them. When both teams were humming along, Cleveland crushed them in Boston. The other Celtic win was at the end of the regular season when Cleveland had already packed it in, and the Cavs still almost came back from a 20 something point deficit.
When LeBron plays good, aggressive basketball, the Cavs beat the Celtics. It's that simple. It's not a coincidence that the three losses have been in games where James has just looked half-hearted in his efforts. They're a poorly coached offensive team, so when LeBron isn't aggressive, the rest of the guys aren't put in situations to succeed. You can blame them all you want, but they do a pretty damn good job when LeBron is playing like the MVP.
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